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[02:41:35]  <mraudsepp> warren: any followup post to http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-driver-geode/2008-April/000311.html ? :)
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[10:22:27]  <warren> mraudsepp: are you seeing the problem too?
[10:22:52]  <mraudsepp^ not really, but I'm currently stuck with fluxbox for a bit longer
[10:24:02]  <warren^ eh?
[10:24:12]  <warren> you are not seeing this problem?
[10:25:00]  <mraudsepp^ no, because I can't trigger it with anything at the moment
[10:26:17]  <warren^ what version of xorg server?
[10:26:42]  <mraudsepp> 1.4.0.90 with patches. Working on getting GNOME installed..
[10:27:52]  <warren^ it could possibly be a 1.5 only problem
[10:27:57]  <CosmicPenguin> Chasing the black box problem?
[10:28:05]  <warren> Option "EXANoComposite" "yes" works around the problem
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[10:29:27]  <CosmicPenguin> warren: this is with metacity, right?
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[10:30:16]  <warren> CosmicPenguin: yes
[10:30:37]  <MrCooper^ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15513 ?
[10:30:46]  <CosmicPenguin+ what does metacity use underneath for drawing?  Cario?
[10:30:50]  <CosmicPenguin> Cairo rather
[10:30:52]  <CosmicPenguin> something elese?
[10:31:09]  * CosmicPenguin hasn't kept up with the goings and comings of the X toolkit layers
[10:31:14]  <warren> uh
[10:31:26]  <warren> CosmicPenguin: our desktop team would know this, I don't
[10:32:07]  <mraudsepp> that metacity isn't composited, is it?
[10:32:23]  <warren> how do I tell?
[10:32:32]  <warren> I don't think we enable metacity compositing by default
[10:32:38]  <mraudsepp> do windows have shadows (I lost the link to the screenshot)
[10:32:53]  <CosmicPenguin> The key is finding out exactly what operation is causing the failure
[10:33:02]  <warren> Q-FUNK: so in talking with folks last night, they suggested 16V @ 4.5A should be fine on this thing.  Indeed it did boot and run without crashing.
[10:33:11]  <CosmicPenguin> so we can run that single operation in a closed environment and ErrorF to the rescue
[10:33:22]  <warren> Q-FUNK: oddly enough, I can't VT switch though.  Everything else is working though.
[10:33:24]  <CosmicPenguin> If it is cairo, then there are an excellent set of cairo benchmarks we can use for that task
[10:33:50]  <warren> does KDE use cairo?
[10:34:03]  <CosmicPenguin> no
[10:34:08]  <CosmicPenguin> Is this KDE?
[10:34:12]  <warren> no
[10:34:13]  <MrCooper^ try the patch from the bug report
[10:34:48]  <spstarr_work> KDE uses Arther
[10:34:57]  <spstarr_work> Qt's 'cairo'
[10:35:21]  <CosmicPenguin> I think this is a good old-fashioned driver bug
[10:35:29]  <CosmicPenguin> the hard part is finding out exactly what is causing it
[10:36:02]  <CosmicPenguin> Its not a good course of action to seed the driver with ErrorFs and fire up Metacity - you won't like what you get
[10:36:10]  <CosmicPenguin> so if we can narrow down the operations, then we win
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[10:36:35]  <warren> CosmicPenguin: do you agree I should try the above patch?
[10:36:39]  <MrCooper> so this isn't about the glyph corruption?
[10:36:42]  <warren> no
[10:36:49]  <CosmicPenguin^ do you have that screenshot?
[10:36:53]  <MrCooper> okay, ignore me then :)
[10:37:00]  <warren> http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/geode-bad-redraw.png
[10:37:04]  <CosmicPenguin> The above patch sure wouldn't hurt, but I don't think thats the problem
[10:37:11]  <warren> entire blocks and buttons and some text labels in nautilus are black
[10:37:24]  <CosmicPenguin> Is it only text?
[10:37:45]  <warren> well, seems to be blocks that contain text
[10:38:28]  <CosmicPenguin> that would imply that a8 masks are hosed
[10:38:42]  <warren> for example, if you have four icons on your desktop
[10:38:45]  <warren> and the 4th disappears
[10:38:50]  <warren> the 3rd icon's label becomes black
[10:39:00]  <CosmicPenguin> hmm - maybe it is the eviction problem
[10:40:07]  <warren> i'll try a build with this patch
[10:40:09]  <CosmicPenguin> We need to find out what engine metacity uses, so we can run the test apps
[10:40:22]  <warren> if you know how to figure that out, I'm all for it
[10:40:33]  <warren> CosmicPenguin: or you got a box to run a F-9 terminal server?
[10:40:37]  <warren> super easy to install now
[10:40:43]  <CosmicPenguin> My normal tactic is asking somebody at Redhat
[10:40:43]  <CosmicPenguin> :)
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[11:29:26]  <warren> doh!
[11:29:28]  <warren> my upload failed at 95%
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[12:20:06]  <warren> CosmicPenguin: MrCooper: that EXA eviction patch didn't help this problem
[12:20:39]  <CosmicPenguin> I didn't think so
[12:31:49]  <warren> hah
[12:31:54]  <warren> youtube crashed X
[12:32:02]  <CosmicPenguin> thats because X is trying to protect you
[12:32:32]  <warren> pulseaudio segfaulted, then ldmgtkgreet segfaulted
[12:32:34]  <warren> so it wasn't X's fault
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[13:04:12]  <Q-FUNK> warren: for vt switching, a patch against X core was submitted upstream
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[13:04:28]  <warren> Q-FUNK: bug #?
[13:04:41]  <warren> oddly the TK-3550 doesn't have this the VT switching problem
[13:05:28]  <warren> I found a 12V @ 2A.  The 16V @ 4.5A seemed to have been working, but I suspect this one is closer to desired?
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[13:47:53]  <Q-FUNK> yes, 12v @ 2a is better
[13:55:04]  <DrNick> dear X people: introduce an event which describes which regions of a window are no longer visible
[13:55:18]  <DrNick> I grow tired of Firefox chewing CPU time running animated GIFs when it's minimized
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[14:07:52]  <leio> DrNick: you think the functionality isn't there?
[14:08:55]  <ajax> it isn't.
[14:09:21]  <ajax> you can get an event for when you change visibility _state_, but not the region.
[14:09:39]  <ajax> and you get exposes for when those regions go back to visible
[14:10:51]  <MrCooper> and how is visibility state different from area in the case of a minimized window?
[14:11:20]  <ajax> for that case, it's not, you're right.  but that's straight up being unmapped.
[14:11:41]  <MrCooper> depends on the window manager?
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[14:12:19]  <ajax> maybe.  you could me mapped but outside the view rect, i suppose.
[14:13:30]  <ajax> which would be "visible", legally speaking.
[14:15:10]  <MrCooper> in particular with a compositing manager, 'minimized' doesn't necessarily imply 'invisible' as far as the app is concerned
[14:16:13]  <ajax> well.  in the absence of input redirection, it's tough to _not_ unmap windows when you minimize them.  otherwise, they still get input events according to their logical coordinates
[14:16:49]  <ajax> but, in the presence of a compositing manager, the concept of "visible" is vague anyway.  alpha blending, and all that.
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[15:54:31]  <jcristau> meh. i have mplayer getting BadAlloc from XvShmPutImage.
[15:56:07]  <jcristau> both with textured and overlay
[16:03:39]  <jcristau> oh, killing xcompmgr fixes it...
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[16:07:15]  <DrNick> actually, yeah, in this case the VisibilityNotify event would have been sufficient, had Firefox done something useful with it
[16:07:45]  <DrNick> but I've experienced similar phenomena when it's playing animations that are underneath other windows
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[16:28:37]  <DrNick> of course, the real problem is that Firefox+cairo is abysmally slow
[16:29:45]  <cworth^ Cairo?
[16:30:21]  <DrNick> I'm using firefox-3.0-0.beta2.18.nightly20080210.fc9 (which is the last version that installs without trouble on F8)
[16:30:43]  <DrNick> and any sort of animation is visibly slower than Firefox 2.0
[16:30:45]  <cworth^ There's not a lot that cairo is getting wrong these days for Firefox in X. Performance problems are much more likely to be in Firefox itself or in X itself.
[16:31:00]  <DrNick> oh, it's X
[16:31:22]  <DrNick> but my point was that versions of Firefox prior to this which did not use cairo for all rendering were much faster
[16:31:36]  <ajax> strange, my experience is that ff3 is appreciably better
[16:33:45]  <Zhenech^ not on a pentium-m running at 600mhz :/
[16:34:01]  <fredrikh> performance probably depends more on the driver's ability to accelerate Xrender now
[16:34:22]  <ajax> Zhenech: even on my old T42, which is like, pentium m at 1.3G or so, and a radeon m7.
[16:34:40]  <ajax> but, sure.  it's probably slower in some denumerable set of configurations.
[16:35:04]  <Zhenech^ X31, radeon m6 here :)
[16:36:42]  <fredrikh> cworth: what's the status of the radial gradient implementation in pixman when dealing with gradients where one of the circles is partially outside the other?
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[16:42:05]  <cworth> fredrikh: I tried to make pixman do something reasonable, but it was hard to find any clear consensus among other systems on any sort of "standard" behavior.
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[16:42:49]  <cworth> fredrikh: So I also tried to leave this somewhat undefined in cairo, (I don't think I documented that case specifically, and I didn't add a test case enforcing a particular behavior).
[16:44:04]  <fredrikh^ it seems CoreGraphics and PDF agree that the gradient turns into a cone
[16:44:44]  <cworth^ The area "inside the cone" is easy. The math makes that quite easy.
[16:44:51]  <fredrikh^ that behavior is also specified by HTML5 for the 2D graphics context in javascript
[16:44:53]  <DrNick> and forcing EXA on does some decent things to performance
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[16:45:05]  <DrNick> 173184   50.1385  libc-2.7.so              Xorg                     memcpy
[16:45:16]  <cworth> fredrikh: It's the area outside the cone that's less clear, (you've got a square root of a negative number there).
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[16:46:59]  <cworth> fredrikh: Cairo really wants all patterns to be "infinite" and to describe at least some color. So I tried what would happen with replacing the negative square root with 0. It ends up giving a sort of linear gradient in the "outside" regions.
[16:47:27]  <cworth> One could still get the PDF "cone" by using a cairo gradient, but explicitly restricting the area in which it is drawn.
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[16:49:21]  <fredrikh> i guess that would correspond with EXTEND_NONE
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[16:55:31]  <fredrikh> cworth: this is pretty interesting: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Conceptual/drawingwithquartz2d/dq_shadings/chapter_9_section_4.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30001066-CH207-DontLinkElementID_39
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[17:02:20]  <cworth> fredrikh: Right. That's not what cairo currently does.
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[17:03:39]  <cworth> fredrikh: Here are some thoughts I wrote just before I did the implementation:
[17:03:40]  <cworth> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2007-February/009782.html
[17:04:01]  <cworth> And just afterwards:
[17:04:03]  <cworth> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2007-March/009857.html
[17:04:43]  <cworth> That second one has links to what cairo/pixman is currently generating.
[17:08:31]  <jg> hi cworth
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[17:15:03]  <fredrikh> cworth: ah, that's pretty neat
[17:16:50]  <fredrikh> i can't get cairo to do that here though, for me it just seems to fill the path with the last color stop when the inner circle is partially outside the outer
[17:17:24]  <fredrikh> i wonder if i'm linking to an old version of cairo or pixman
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[17:53:54]  <jcristau> krh: any objection to http://people.freedesktop.org/~jcristau/0001-Don-t-set-DRI2-yes-if-we-can-t-find-dri2proto-or-lib.patch?
[17:55:04]  <krh^ that looks good, thanks
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[18:22:00]  <cworth> fredrikh: It's possible we lost this in the switch to external pixman, (like I said we haven't been testing it).
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[18:28:41]  <fredrikh> cworth: no, it actually turned out to be a thinko on my part... i was filling a circle, and moved the center point of the first gradient circle outside the second
[18:29:30]  <fredrikh> and that moved the gradient outside the path i was filling
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[19:27:57]  <cworth> fredrikh: Heh. OK.
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[23:43:37]  <tannewt> any input folks here?
[23:44:53]  <tannewt> I wrote a uinput device that worked well with evdev 1.1 but does not work with 1.2
[23:45:18]  <tannewt> its a device that is both a keyboard and a pointer except the pointer stuff does not work
[23:46:05]  <Mercury> Urgh, not sure why it doesn't work.  I suggest just splitting it into two uinput devices for the moment.
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[23:49:26]  <tannewt> Mercury: I tried disabling the keyboard bits to make it a mouse but it still didn't work
[23:49:58]  <tannewt> do you have experience with other uinput devices not working?
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[00:35:18]  <whot> Mercury: you still in charge of evdev?
[00:36:05]  <tannewt> whot and Mercury: I fixed it, I wasn't sending SYN events on movement
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[00:48:02]  <DrNick> huh. EXA on R200 is a different flavor of painful compared to XAA, until you turn AccelDFS on
[00:48:30]  <DrNick> OTOH, it seems to cause reliably reproducible BadAlloc errors in Firefox on a certain web page
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[02:28:11]  <jklehm> is it acceptable to open XExtensionPointers with XOpenDevice?  Is there a more proper way?  Wine  handles tablets as XExtensionDevice. I'd like to add support for the handling of tablets as XExtensionPointers as well.
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[02:47:23]  <whot> jklehm: yes, you can open any XExtension* with XOpenDevice
[02:48:10]  <jklehm^ thanks!
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[03:28:44]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[09:33:57]  <Dr_Jakob> airlied: ping, Have you borked drmMap for intel in mainline?
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[10:00:01]  <Dr_Jakob> airlied: hmm looks like I might have jumped the gun, never should trust users.
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[11:09:09]  <MrCooper> hey jbarnes, how does the intel driver call the DRM_IOCTL_MODESET_CTL ioctl? Can't seem to find it
[11:10:14]  <jbarnes> it doesn't yet
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[11:16:05]  <jcristau> ooh
[11:16:06]  <jcristau>     glcore: build from mesa, dlopen from xorg
[11:16:09]  <jcristau> \o/
[11:17:43]  <Q-FUNK> :)
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[11:27:02]  <jbarnes> MrCooper: looking at adding it now... I think we want pre-modeset to be called when we turn off a pipe and post to be called right after we turn it on
[11:28:07]  <MrCooper^ could it be done by the server rather than the driver?
[11:28:34]  <MrCooper> hmm, the server probably doesn't know how the CRTCs map
[11:30:49]  <krh> jbarnes: did that dvo patch get applied?
[11:30:53]  * krh keeps nagging :)
[11:31:09]  <jbarnes^ yeah, I pushed that at XDC, and a few bug fixes yesterday
[11:31:29]  <krh^ oh doh, I was looking at master
[11:31:35]  <jbarnes> heh
[11:31:56]  <krh> hehe, there it is
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[11:33:19]  <cjb> no, anything but the i830!
[11:33:21]  * cjb fears.
[11:33:31]  <Dr_Jakob> Hmm you guys werent talking about modesetting... well sort of.
[11:34:02]  <Q-FUNK> jcristau: am I dreaming this or is 1.4.1 finally a valid candidate for Testing transition?
[11:34:35]  <jcristau^ it is
[11:34:46]  <Q-FUNK> \o/
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[12:01:21]  <jg> ping keithp
[12:01:41]  <keithp> ?
[12:02:02]  <jg^ well, the second kidney was dealt with on Monday.  another 7 stones....
[12:02:20]  <jg> unfortunately, one of them arrived a few hours before it would have been history.
[12:03:13]  <jg> but at least recovery is, so far, way less obnoxious than for the first kidney.
[12:03:40]  <jg> dunno why the big difference (other than making sure I was well rested prior to this surgery).
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[12:05:04]  <jklehm> are stones as fun as they say?
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[12:11:20]  <ajax> keithp: is i865 expected to have textured video?
[12:12:06]  <keithp^ it would be nice, but no-one has written the code...
[12:12:17]  <ajax> fair enough
[12:12:31]  <ajax> is it expected to BadAlloc when you try to run totem with compiz enabled?
[12:12:39]  <ajax> 'cause that's kind of lame
[12:15:41]  <mjg59^ If you're on XAA and using textured video? Yes.
[12:15:59]  <ajax> but i'm not using textured video, per question 1.
[12:16:16]  <mjg59> Oh, I see
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[12:16:44]  <jg> jklehm: they are at least as bad as they say
[12:17:50]  <ajax> things to fight after lunch.
[12:20:07]  <jklehm> =( sorry man. Get well soon
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[17:36:23]  <fredrikh> cworth: i realized that you can actually get the pdf cone with the current code, if you draw the gradient twice and reverse the direction and the color stops
[17:37:14]  <cworth^ Interesting.
[17:37:26]  <fredrikh> http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/cone.png
[17:37:50]  <cworth^ In my description I *thought* it should be possible to get the PDF effect, but I didn't realize it would require drawing it twice. That's for the "inside" of the cone I suppose?
[17:38:00]  <fredrikh> yeah
[17:38:46]  <cworth^ Ah, OK. So PDF is easy to get. What might be harder is Quartz' "extend" behavior.
[17:39:03]  <cworth> I assume you're drawing with EXTEND_NONE there?
[17:39:31]  <fredrikh> i used EXTEND_PAD actually, and masked out the shape
[17:39:52]  <cworth> Oh, and then the Quartz extend behavior isn't hard. One simply needs to compute a sufficiently distant stop point and add a repeated color value there.
[17:40:08]  <cworth> fredrikh: Ah, OK. That was the approach I had expected people to use.
[17:41:07]  <cworth> It has the advantage of not getting "doubled" antialiasing, (darkening on the edges), if you do mask and happen to match the borders of the EXTEND_NONE gradient.
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[17:41:52]  <cworth> fredrikh: So I'm glad to see you're proving me right that cairo's behavior shouldn't be too limiting here, (even if it does require you to jump through some hoops).
[17:41:59]  <cworth> What are you working on, by the way?
[17:42:27]  <ajax> wow, synaptics is _utter_ loss.
[17:42:51]  <ajax> shmconfig is incompatible with fast user switching
[17:42:55]  <ajax> smrt
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[17:43:03]  <mjg59> ajax: Yeah, failure.
[17:43:07]  <mjg59> Also, 0777
[17:43:18]  <ajax> i was in the middle of addressing the 0777 thing
[17:43:34]  <ajax> listen for consolekit to say the uid of who owns the session...
[17:43:54]  <fredrikh> cworth: i was thinking of using this in khtml for the radial gradients.... Qt only supports SVG gradients with a focal point
[17:43:57]  <ajax> but, if i only get one shm segment in the whole world, that's not really going to fly
[17:44:16]  <mjg59> I'd guess you could stash the display number on the segment name
[17:44:28]  <mjg59> And then patch userland to match
[17:44:32]  <mjg59> But, uh.
[17:44:43]  <ajax> that's a lot of userland, sadly.
[17:44:50]  <mjg59> Maybe we should just implement input properties
[17:45:13]  <ajax> although i guess i only care about synclient/syndaemon and gsynaptics, and kde people will be happy to implement it themselves three times.
[17:45:30]  <ajax> yeah, this whole release thing though.
[17:45:48]  <ajax> i doubt i can have i-p by f9
[17:46:14]  <ajax> also: we need to fix xrandr to accept --props as a synonym for --properties
[17:46:24]  <mjg59> --mad --props
[17:46:47]  <cworth> fredrikh: Ah, I see. Is khtml different than webkit?
[17:46:59]  <cworth> And is it currently using Qt for most drawing?
[17:50:28]  <fredrikh^ this part of the code is different in khtml, because it doesn't have any abstractions for multiple backends
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[17:51:08]  <fredrikh> and it current draws everything with Qt, which is actually pretty similar to cairo in Qt4
[17:52:39]  <cworth^ Yeah. I haven't heard of many people doing mixed Qt4/cairo drawing before. Should be interesting. :-)
[17:57:15]  <fredrikh^ yeah... i'm wondering though if it isn't safer to copy the subset of the relevant pixman code into khtml though, in case the behavior changes in the future
[17:58:10]  <fredrikh> since the exact behavior isn't specified at the moment
[17:58:55]  <krh^ aw, I was hoping you were fixing poppler gradients :)
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[17:59:32]  <cworth> fredrikh: Oh, well, we generally specify behavior by just locking the current state forever. ;-)
[17:59:41]  <cworth> I really don't expect it to change.
[18:00:15]  <cworth> When I wrote the original code and asked for feedback, I just wanted to hear if my ideas weren't crazy. And so far, you're just confirming my ideas.
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[18:01:08]  <fredrikh> krh: heh
[18:01:10]  <cworth^ Although, the only part I was really unclear on was the part outside what you are restricting your mask to. For what you are actually using, I'm quite certain about the way things currently work.
[18:05:02]  <cworth> Oh, but maybe there's still an issue with the "overlapping" portion of the cone if you have translucence.
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[18:06:01]  <cworth> fredrikh: That's where the solution has two roots, (and one possible result is to solve for one, then blend with the other on top, which would look quite a bit like a translucent cone---but I don't think cairo currently does that).
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[18:07:56]  <fredrikh> cworth: well, that's actually what my code does: http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/cairo-cone.cpp
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[19:09:03]  <OgreBoy> is it normal to get a lockup (hard as far as the keyboard is concerned, but machine does a normal shutdown on power button) when running "glxinfo -i" ?
[19:09:47]  <OgreBoy> with fedora 8, so maybe old news
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[01:33:05]  <cworth> Whoa! That bugzilla email interface even looks sane!
[01:42:30]  <Ori_B> wait, since when did bugzilla have an email interface/
[01:43:54]  <whot^ version 3 does it
[01:44:07]  <Ori_B> neat
[01:44:15]  <Ori_B> I'll have to look into it after I finish failing exams
[01:58:26]  <cworth^ What I just saw go by was a straight reply, with "@status = RESOLVED" and "@resolution = FIXED". That's all I'll ever need I think.
[01:59:21]  <Ori_B> sweet, I think
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[03:23:57]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[05:31:47]  <sridhar> hi all
[05:31:51]  <sridhar> does anyone know xnee??
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[09:43:33]  <DaFlo> I can't find the Xlib Documentations
[09:43:35]  <DaFlo> pease help me
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[09:48:11]  <ajax> yum install xorg-x11-docs ; evince /usr/share/doc/xorg-docs-*/hardcopy/X11/xlib.pdf
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[09:58:43]  <DaFlo> how to get the Display* of the Actual Window ?  Or how to create a Window? because I need this this parent
[10:12:54]  <ajax> XCreateWindow() is you you create windows.
[10:18:19]  * krh looks for fufutos
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[10:24:15]  <DaFlo> ajax,
[10:24:22]  <DaFlo> i mean Window XCreateWindow(display, parent, x, y, width, height, border_width, depth,
[10:24:24]  <DaFlo> the second parameter
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[10:29:53]  <ajax> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/x11perf/tree/x11perf.c
[10:29:58]  <ajax> look for the word XCreateWIndow
[10:30:04]  <DaFlo> thx
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[10:32:15]  <krh> hey Dodji
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[10:37:27]  <Dodji> krh, hey
[10:37:36]  <Dodji> how are things ?
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[10:38:46]  <krh> Dodji: good, busy
[10:39:09]  <krh> I'm moving this week and red hat is moving offices next week
[10:39:41]  <Dodji^ ah, moving but staying in Boston ?
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[10:59:02]  <krh> Dodji: yeah, both me and red hat :)
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[10:59:39]  <Dodji> krh, :-)
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[15:14:39]  <jasonlife> Does the latest "intel" driver support "zaphod" mode?
[15:15:42]  <jcristau> no
[15:16:53]  <jasonlife> I wonder it has plan for it, like ati driver does support it again..
[15:17:39]  <jcristau> i don't think that's very high on the todo list
[15:18:24]  <jasonlife> I see.. thanks
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[15:21:19]  <idr> keithp, anholt: We still on for tomorrow?
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[16:07:57]  <anholt> idr: that's the plan
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[16:40:40]  <idr> anholt: Excellent.
[16:40:58]  <idr> keithp, anholt: Where / when should I show up?
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[17:24:31]  <solarion> maybe someone's interested in my problem here
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[17:27:04]  <solarion> oh fine.  radeon hacker ping
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[17:41:06]  <solarion> color tiling being disabled apparently caused all sorts of trouble
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[17:44:50]  <solarion> being stuck at 1024x768 on two screens kind of sucks.  :(
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[17:46:40]  <solarion> what does color tiling do, exactly?
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[17:47:19]  <airlied> solarion: makes things fast.
[17:47:29]  <airlied> it should work turned off though.
[17:47:33]  <solarion> I was seeing a *lot* of corruption without it
[17:47:43]  <airlied^ using ati git?
[17:47:45]  <solarion> the virtual desktop I was using was huge, however
[17:47:48]  <airlied^ try EXANoComposite
[17:47:51]  <solarion^ ubuntu hardy
[17:47:57]  <airlied^ hmm shouldn't be that.
[17:48:11]  <airlied> whats the driver vrsion?
[17:48:46]  <solarion> 1:1.6.0-1
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[17:49:05]  <solarion> sadly, I couldn't make a video of the funky
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[17:54:14]  <airlied> solarion: that isn't a -ati version number
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[17:56:53]  <solarion> compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 4.3.0
[17:56:54]  <solarion> better?
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[17:58:52]  <airlied> solarion: not really :)
[17:59:00]  * solarion scratches his head
[17:59:00]  <airlied> I would expect something with a 6.x in it
[17:59:48]  <solarion> that's xorg log output as the driver's loaded
[18:00:05]  <solarion> X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90 probalby doesn't help you much further
[18:00:40]  <solarion> maybe 6.8.0?
[18:01:09]  <airlied> so the ati driver package is actually number 1.6.0 thats crazy.
[18:01:21]  <airlied> I suppose it must be 6.8.0 if xrandr works.
[18:01:27]  <airlied> I'd probably suggest trying git
[18:01:35]  <airlied> as we had some issues with tiling at some point
[18:01:38]  <airlied> that I fixed.
[18:03:00]  * solarion has to go home or miss his ride
[18:04:09]  <solarion> lemme tell you, though.  nv + 2-headed radeon can make for some fun times.  ;)
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[18:05:46]  <keithp> idr: we're thinking OPH at 8:30
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[18:08:40]  <idr> keithp: OPH?
[18:08:56]  <idr> 8:30AM?
[18:09:56]  <keithp^ original pancake house
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[18:09:59]  <keithp> breakfast
[18:10:07]  <keithp> then back to my house for hacking
[18:10:21]  <keithp> anholt and jbarnes are up for breakfast as well
[18:10:23]  <krh> pancakes and hacking
[18:10:32]  <jg> afternoon keithp
[18:10:36]  <keithp> krh: it's a winning combination
[18:10:46]  <krh^ it's can't go wrong
[18:10:53]  <krh> s/'s//
[18:10:58]  <jg> even more winning is to convince keithp to make pies....
[18:10:59]  <keithp> krh: it often works better than beer and hacking at least
[18:11:35]  <krh^ yeah, beer and hacking works well for the first two beers...
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[18:14:13]  <Q-FUNK> hehehe
[18:15:14]  <jg> mmmm.... keithp pie for breakfast ;-).
[18:15:18]  <idr> keithp: Okay.  That should be good.
[18:15:33]  <idr> Since we only have one car, my wife /might/ join us for breakfast.
[18:15:45]  <idr> She wasn't to impressed with OHP the last time we went.
[18:16:09]  <idr> We've been spoiled by the Cadillac Cafe. :)
[18:21:17]  <anholt^ I've got plenty higher on my list near me as well.
[18:21:24]  <keithp+ yeah, it's vintage 50s
[18:21:34]  <anholt> otoh, breakfast is a motivator to get myself up that hill
[18:21:35]  <keithp> but, jbarnes is up for another omlette
[18:21:43]  <keithp> anholt: such a nice hill
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[18:21:50]  <keithp> idr: decent ride from your place too
[18:22:10]  <idr> bwah...
[18:22:30]  <keithp^ jbarnes should have a car to get you from oph to my house
[18:22:50]  <idr^ That would be good!
[18:23:22]  <keithp> I could also bring a spare bike...
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[18:35:16]  <keithp> idr: just to check, that's 8601 SW 24th (which is 24th and Barbur), right?
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[19:25:46]  <idr> keithp: Oh!
[19:25:55]  <idr> I was thinking of the wrong place!
[19:26:18]  <idr> I was thinking of Tom's Pancake House in Beaverton...Cedar Hills & Canyon.
[19:26:29]  <idr> OHP is *much* better.
[19:29:37]  <idr> That means my wife *will* join us for breakfast...which solves my transportation problem.
[19:29:45]  <idr> See you at 8:30!
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[20:05:05]  <bhundven> hello. Who should I notify about a correction in: http://xcb.freedesktop.org/tutorial/
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[20:07:02]  <bhundven> or should I just open a bug?
[20:09:35]  <jcristau^ email xcb@lists.freedesktop.org
[20:09:45]  <bhundven> thx!
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[21:00:41]  <fredrikh> cworth: ping
[21:00:57]  <cworth^ pong
[21:01:42]  <fredrikh^ i have a much improved version of the conical gradient demo: http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/cone.tar.bz2
[21:02:23]  <cworth> keithp: Oh, for reference, the boys' pickup *was* there at 3:00 this afternoon. (Her son wasn't in class today---it was take-your-kid-to-work-day for his dad---which Cameron misinterpreted to mean she wouldn't be picking them up).
[21:03:10]  <fredrikh^ i've noticed thought that the gradient is only drawn when the gradient moves from the larger to the smaller circle, when the smaller circle is fully contained inside the larger
[21:03:13]  <fredrikh> though*
[21:05:45]  <cworth^ For such a small demo, I'm sure having to install a *lot* of libraries. ;-)
[21:06:42]  <cworth> Hmmm... that doesn't sound like correct behavior...
[21:08:53]  <cworth> But hey, I even got it running now. :-)
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[21:10:08]  <cworth> fredrikh: Hmmm... it definitely doesn't have the "small changes in input result in small changes in output" behavior I wanted from cairo).
[21:10:14]  <fredrikh> yeah, that's why i mentioned it... it fills it with the last color stop
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[21:10:35]  <cworth> fredrikh: If I have "draw cone" off, it's just doing straight cairo gradients?
[21:10:38]  <fredrikh> and interestingly if the edge of the inner circle touches the outer, it fills it with the first color stop
[21:11:02]  <fredrikh> yeah, it just fills the rect with the "top" gradient
[21:11:42]  <fredrikh> when it's checked it draws it twice, and fills a path
[21:12:07]  <cworth^ Yeah, parts of this look buggy to me.
[21:13:18]  <cworth> But it doesn't seem to behave any differently with cairo 1.4.0. So this looks like old bugs.
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[21:15:09]  <cworth> fredrikh: Yes. I see "reverse" being wrong when they exactly touch, and the non-reverse case wrong whenver the smaller circle is wholly contained by the larger circle.
[21:17:31]  <fredrikh> yeah
[21:22:06]  <fredrikh> actually when they exactly touch the output is the same for me regardless of whether reverse is checked
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[22:22:55]  <cworth> fredrikh: Ah, yes. Good point.
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[00:41:45]  <keithp> cworth: but, you were there as well anyway.
[00:42:53]  <cworth^ Yeah, it worked out fine. It would have only been a shame if we had had to cut anything short today, but it all worked out.
[00:43:40]  <cworth> I guess I just wanted to make it clear that neither Stacy nor her friend were as flaky as I may have made them appear today. :-)
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[00:44:26]  <keithp> I had assumed some level of mis-communication
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[05:07:57]  <tjaalton> how could I wake up an X session that is in powersave mode? xset dpms force on doesn't work, since X itself doesn't wake up
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[05:10:07]  <tjaalton> so I'd need to send some keyboard event etc to wake up the session
[05:12:56]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[05:13:24]  <jcristau> tjaalton: create an uinput device, get it hotplugged, and send stuff to it? ;)
[05:14:33]  <tjaalton^ I'm root, I can do anything.. and something simple too if possible :)
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[08:01:31]  <mib_pxrnq8mb> hi anyone know xnee ???
[08:01:35]  <mib_pxrnq8mb> ???
[08:01:37]  <mib_pxrnq8mb> hello??
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[08:15:24]  <mib_yqu60lsl> does any one know xnee??
[08:15:25]  <mib_yqu60lsl> hello
[08:15:28]  <mib_yqu60lsl> plz help me buddies
[08:20:35]  <dr-xorg> no idea what that is, sorry ...
[08:21:42]  <mib_yqu60lsl> its an event emulator
[08:22:05]  <mib_yqu60lsl> iam developing a framework to analyze xserver events
[08:22:11]  <mib_yqu60lsl> can anyone help
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[08:37:26]  <tjaalton> heh, xnee might do what I asked before.. talk about good timing :)
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[08:52:43]  <Dr_Jakob> What machine is the git repos locaded on?
[08:53:01]  <jcristau^ kemper
[08:53:14]  <Dr_Jakob^ do normal users have access to it?
[08:53:17]  <jcristau> no
[08:53:24]  <Dr_Jakob> normal devs
[08:53:35]  <Dr_Jakob> right, drm repo is slightly fubared
[08:53:35]  <jcristau> you have read only access on annarchy though
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[08:57:14]  <Dr_Jakob> is there any guide to put up a private/public repo?
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[10:40:22]  <ajax> regarding eamon's comment at xdc about xselinux needing a new name, i propose "flax"
[10:41:14]  <Dr_Jakob^ you have access to the git repos right?
[10:41:33]  <Dr_Jakob> (admin)
[10:41:36]  <ajax> yeah
[10:41:49]  <Dr_Jakob^ the drm git repo is borked
[10:41:55]  <ajax> how?
[10:42:12]  <Dr_Jakob> push went wrong, you can't pull from it anymore
[10:42:22]  <Dr_Jakob> ajax: just added youtube as a factor into
[10:42:33]  <Dr_Jakob> Gah wrong selection
[10:42:37]  <Dr_Jakob> ajax: http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg34736.html
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[10:42:55]  <ajax> oh lovely.
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[10:45:03]  <ajax> yeah, working on it.
[10:45:48]  <Dr_Jakob^ thanks!
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[10:47:06]  <ajax> that's just bizarre.
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[10:50:34]  <Dr_Jakob> ajax: oh what has happend?
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[10:54:33]  <ajax> it looks like git-daemon has just lost its little mind
[10:54:56]  <Dr_Jakob> mad daemon on the loose?
[10:54:59]  <ajax> if i log into kemper, i can clone just fine
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[10:55:41]  <Dr_Jakob> ajax: odd, perm problems?
[10:56:38]  <ajax> likewise it works on annarchy.  blah.
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[11:19:19]  <ajax> bah.
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[11:23:12]  <ajax> yeah, whatever thomas did there, he did it really wrong.
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[11:31:58]  <ajax> Dr_Jakob: alright, fixed the repo to be usable again, but i had to nuke thomas' last changes to modesetting-101 to do so.
[11:32:14]  <Dr_Jakob^ okay thanks
[11:32:40]  <ajax> it looked like it really was missing some objects that presumably only existed on his machine and just didn't get pushed somehow
[11:32:43]  <Dr_Jakob^ you da man
[11:32:56]  <ajax> but, probably easier to just redo the rebase
[11:33:08]  <Dr_Jakob^ okay strange, how is the space on that machine?
[11:33:30]  <ajax> 70G free on that disk
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[11:33:40]  <Dr_Jakob> hmm right...
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[11:34:56]  <ajax> yeah, that was my first thought too
[11:35:08]  <ajax> but it's got tons of disk and memory free
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[13:45:34]  <stillunknown2> What proves libGLcore.so?
[13:46:25]  <stillunknown2> provides i meant
[13:46:34]  <ajax> the server does.
[13:48:11]  <stillunknown2> I see some changes, from 2 days ago.
[13:48:19]  <stillunknown2> (in xserver tree)
[13:49:07]  <stillunknown2> I wonder what is going wrong, as i'm missing it.
[13:49:16]  <ajax> (II) NV(0): LVDS native size 738x414
[13:49:19]  <ajax> nice one.
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[13:52:20]  <stillunknown2> ajax: The way they get the lvds mode is a bit fragile imo.
[13:53:19]  <stillunknown2> Did you have an external monitor connected at boot?
[13:53:28]  <stillunknown2> (just out of curiosity)
[13:54:10]  <ajax> i didn't, the bug reporter did.
[13:54:28]  <ajax> and yes, reading back whatever values happen to be in some timing registers somewhere is perhaps not the most reliable thing ever
[13:55:34]  <stillunknown2> In fact it just takes the first crtc to be active iirc.
[13:56:19]  <stillunknown2> It's one of the more ugly parts of the driver.
[13:58:04]  <stillunknown2> If you're lucky aaronp might fix it properly.
[14:00:17]  <stillunknown2> ajax: So you actually dared to look at the code?
[14:00:28]  <ajax> dude, it's my day job
[14:00:32]  <ajax> i can't have fear
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[14:02:04]  <stillunknown2> ajax: Hopefully you realize that those mode field mean something else completely?
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[14:04:32]  <stillunknown> I wonder why glcore is a seperate build target for mesa, quite annoying.
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[15:42:14]  <aaronp> stillunknown: Yeah, that code sucks, I know.
[15:42:53]  <stillunknown> It's fragile, too fragile.
[15:45:39]  <stillunknown> aaronp: Any chance to look at nv bugs in the near future?
[15:49:56]  <rvalles> I found real cause of unstability (which also happens with the 8600... soon I'll have my trusty 7800gs back :D)
[15:50:58]  <rvalles> I managed to find a forum thread about a person with the same problem as I in both windows and linux and all... dual channel mem with this board -> crap (it'd work fine but the controller will hang from time to time)
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[16:16:22]  <stillunknown> Does anyone know what's required to make gdm do a warm restart, eg run out of clients, but not kill X, instead return to gdm.
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[19:32:29]  <TMM> keithp: hey! are you here by any chance?
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[20:11:34]  <anholt> not really.  I'm busy crashing his laptop.
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[20:29:52]  <TMM> anholt: a noble goal
[20:31:01]  <TMM> any chance I could bother you with some intel questions? should you have the time, of course
[20:35:16]  <anholt> don't ask to ask, just ask.
[20:38:24]  <TMM^ my apologies. I've got a Intel Corporation 82G35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller and I'm trying to get it to work in dual-head setup. The second screen, however remains blank. I've tried intel 2.2.1 and 2.3.0. When booting with just the second screen attached, it becomes blank as soon as X starts as well. The second screen is connected through TMDS-1, on a HDMI to DVI converter
[20:38:40]  <TMM> the screen shows output during boot though
[20:38:50]  <TMM> it just 'dies' as soon as X starts
[20:39:39]  <anholt> we haven't ever tested G35 with HDMI ourselves, but others have had it working.
[20:39:55]  <anholt> we've only used separate sdvo hdmi cards, which have worked.
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[20:45:49]  <TMM> hmm
[20:45:53]  <TMM> where does that leave me?
[20:46:02]  <TMM> get a sdvo card? :)
[20:47:36]  <TMM> I've got one output connected through VGA and another one throug HDMI>DVI, is that an uncommon setup?
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[20:49:29]  <TMM> if it would help, I would be more than willing to sponsor someone the same motherboard that I have to get his working, I got this specific intel setup because of the open-source intel drivers, I'll be damned before I get an ATI or something :)
[20:51:44]  <TMM> anholt: this is really frustrating because it should just work(are) :-/
[20:53:07]  <anholt> you have an sdvo chip on board. they also come on cards that slot in to the x16 pcie slot.
[20:53:37]  <TMM^ how do I go about debugging this?
[20:54:20]  <anholt> enable ModeDebug option (see intel(4)), compare the sdvo and register state in the console to after X starts up.
[20:54:21]  <TMM^ xrandr --output TMDS-1 --off does indeed turn off the screen, and --auto turns it back on (the led changes color) but that's pretty much it. I don't know where to start looking
[20:54:52]  <anholt^ you said that it also fails with only the hdmi one plugged in.  if you're debugging, you really want to minimize complexity (run with 1 monitor)
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[20:55:46]  <TMM> anholt: which one?
[20:55:51]  <anholt> the failing one.
[20:56:13]  <TMM> OK. I'
[20:56:33]  <TMM> ll try. I hope to at least get enough info to file a proper bugreport\
[20:56:54]  <TMM> I'm not entirely sure I'm up to the task of fixing this myself
[20:58:17]  <TMM> anholt: so, I add this to my xorg.conf's driver section, unplug the VGA, restart X and note the logfile?
[20:59:05]  <TMM> I hope I'm not bothering you
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[21:07:15]  <TMM> anholt: is this significant? (EE) intel(0): Unable to write to SDVOCTRL_E for SDVOB Slave 0x70
[21:07:26]  <anholt> maybe, maybe not.
[21:08:43]  <TMM^
[21:08:47]  <TMM> clear as mud :)
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[21:14:10]  <TMM> anholt: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15370#c9 <--- that does not sound hopeful
[21:17:58]  <anholt^ might help, might not.
[21:18:12]  <anholt> anyway, it's been a busy day and I need to get home
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[22:23:47]  <sophiemg> hola?
[22:24:04]  <sophiemg> necesito ayuda
[22:24:08]  <sophiemg> por favor
[22:24:13]  <sophiemg> :(
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[04:32:08]  <arekm> "the TTM and modesetting stuff is still on hold" :-/
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[05:50:49]  <hachi> I think there's something special about friday that makes my X server lock up
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[06:12:26]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[10:46:41]  <cjb> hmph, xcb-proto depends on python >= 2.5 now?
[10:46:48]  <cjb> that's a new dependency for X.
[10:52:23]  <Amaranth> does it use python to convert the xml or something?
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[13:24:01]  <mattst88> where is xf86ReadPciBios defined?
[13:26:39]  <ajax> ctags -R ; vim -t xf86ReadPciBios
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[13:28:48]  <stillunknown> I never managed to properly generate the tag database, it never finds anything.
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[13:30:05]  <OgreBoy> and that symbol went away some time ago, I think?
[13:30:49]  <stillunknown> It must have, since exaComposite is found.
[13:30:59]  <stillunknown> Probably during pci-rework.
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[14:00:59]  <mattst88> looks like xserver from git doesn't even build on alpha now >:(
[14:02:02]  <stillunknown> linux?
[14:03:39]  <Q-FUNK> alpha base is gone.  call commander Kbmnig!
[14:06:43]  <mattst88> stillunknown, yes
[14:06:52]  <mattst88> Q-FUNK, what?
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[14:38:42]  <TMM> Could someone help me with the following? My dual-head setup with the intel driver on a G35 chipset. On head is connected through VGA, the other through a HDMI->DVI converter. As soon as the intel driver kicks in, the monitor turns black, and I am unable to even get the on screen menu to display, suggesting a problem with the mode. I have found several bugreports on the issue on the freedesktop bugtracker, but I have a different question: The i83
[14:38:42]  <TMM> 0_sdvo.c suggests that there are certain configurations which will not work with the current code, I was wondering how I can see how my pipes are connected and to what, or how the SDVO stuff is wired on my motherboard
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[17:30:23]  <DrNick> #14 0x000000362d021abe in XCreatePixmap (dpy=0x63d2d0, d=150, width=10000, height=30, depth=32) at CrPixmap.c:60 -- fails with radeon EXA, apparently works with radeon XAA
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[20:45:00]  <mattst88> is there a person who is in charge of making sure X works on alpha?
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[22:33:05]  <airlied> mattst88: its not X problem its kernel
[22:33:27]  <airlied> make /sys rom files work and X will work.
[22:33:38]  <mattst88> good lord, are you serious? :P
[22:33:52]  <mattst88> it's not radeon[hd], it's X, now it's not X, it's the kernel
[22:34:11]  <mattst88> any advice how to proceed?
[22:34:13]  <airlied> if you are running all new bits, X will try and use the kernel's rom access method via /sys
[22:34:25]  <airlied> go into /sys, without X running..
[22:34:50]  <airlied> /sys/bus/pci/devices/<pciid>
[22:34:53]  <airlied> echo 1 > enable
[22:34:54]  <airlied> echo 1 > rom
[22:35:00]  <mattst88> the alpha isn't on currently, and takes a few minutes to boot
[22:35:01]  <airlied> cat rom > /tmp/rom
[22:35:08]  <airlied> should in theory give the BIOS rom in /tmp
[22:35:28]  <airlied> if it doesn't work you need to find the alpha arch maintainer and annoy them and lkml
[22:35:43]  <mattst88> soren, doing that should give me a chance to get X/radeon working?
[22:35:56]  <mattst88> soren? what kind of typo was that
[22:36:05]  <mattst88> so then*
[22:36:06]  <airlied^ well all the logs you've shown are where the rom is readable
[22:36:12]  <airlied> so we can't set the card up..
[22:36:34]  <airlied> my only other worry is if alpha has some other strange PCI restrictions..
[22:36:36]  <mattst88> readable or unreadable?
[22:36:42]  <airlied> unreadable..
[22:37:03]  <airlied> I know parisc can't deal with large aperture GPUs..
[22:37:11]  <airlied> as PCI window is too small to address it all.
[22:37:22]  <airlied> also Alpha's used to have some crap about sparse memory..
[22:37:27]  <airlied> but I'm not 100% sure..
[22:37:31]  <airlied> but step one is to get the rom files working.
[22:37:52]  <mattst88> OK, thank you very much for the insight
[22:38:14]  <mattst88> could I ask you a question about your career/education?
[22:42:09]  <mattst88> I'm getting a degree in physics, with the intention to get a masters degree in ECE afterwards.
[22:42:52]  <mattst88> as far as a job at red hat or similar goes, is a masters degree worth significantly more than a standard ECE degree?
[22:45:26]  <airlied^ degree didn't matter freom what I can see.. mainly lots of Linux expereince helped me.
[22:46:28]  <mattst88> what Linux experience did you have did you have when you were 20 (my age)?
[22:48:34]  <airlied^ I had written pam_smb/pam_ncp projects, and admin boxes for about 100 ppl.
[22:49:08]  <airlied> but Linux had only been going about 3-4 years at that point.
[22:49:14]  <airlied> maybe 5..
[22:49:22]  <mattst88> yeah, that's true
[22:50:18]  <airlied> my masters was all research, and I was working for the Uni on some EU projects at the time.
[22:50:47]  <airlied> so I had a lot of time to hack on other things, so I did linux/mips and linux/vax work during that time.
[22:51:27]  <airlied> but RH hired me because I've been working on graphics stuff for 4 years before they hired me.
[22:51:31]  <airlied> for another company..
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[22:53:10]  <airlied> but really experience matters a lot, like mjg59 is a phd in genetics, and we hired him :)
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[22:54:03]  <mattst88> genetics!
[22:54:26]  <airlied> bbl.
[22:54:47]  <mattst88> thanks for the information about the alpha and about the experience :)
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[22:56:23]  <DrNick> so, should X be returning BadAlloc if a client calls XCreatePixmap with a size larger than the card's maximum texture width/height?
[22:56:28]  <DrNick> because EXA does and XAA doesn't
[22:57:28]  <DrNick> and then Firefox aborts
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[01:40:33]  <Amaranth> DrNick: Shouldn't it just fallback to software for such pixmaps?
[01:40:42]  <DrNick> obviously, yes
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[05:37:41]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[07:58:10]  * Q-FUNK still doesn't get why LTSP in Ubuntu/Hardy works with any "amd" variant but fails with a "geode" (with or without the symbolic link to amd_drv.so).
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[09:38:25]  <TMM> anholt: hi! :) I was reading the intel GPU pdfs and I was wondering if I am correct in assuming that the HDMI stuff is entirely non-implemented in the current intel driver?
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[10:03:11]  <TMM> is there a mailing list for the intel driver?
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[10:06:51]  <TMM> Does anyone know if I get an ADD2 card, if I'll be able to force it to connect to a specific pipe of my intel card? I'm kind of worried that if I add a card it'll try and clone pipe-A, and then I'll still have the exact same problems I'm having now :)
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[10:24:58]  <edsiper> I need  to get in touch with some Xephyr developer... is any one around here ?
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[12:46:30]  <stillunknown> pScrn->currentMode, what is the meaning of that in randr-1.2 context?
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[12:59:25]  <anholt> TMM: you have the G35, right?  you don't have the HDMI described in the pdfs.
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[13:05:08]  <TMM> anholt: ow, what do I have then?
[13:06:40]  <anholt> you have an sdvo hdmi chip
[13:08:45]  <TMM^ ow... why doesn't it work then? for sdvo hdmi or dvi shouldn't matter right? or am I completely missing the point? :)
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[13:30:23]  <anholt> hdmi has other signaling options, so they're not quite the same.
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[13:37:49]  <TMM> anholt: so, I just get the wrong resolution and/or refresh rate on my hdmi port?
[13:38:32]  <TMM> if you have any suggestion as to where I might start digging in docs and/or code, it would be greatly appreciated! :D
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[13:43:19]  <anholt> if you have working console, use the register dumping provided by i830_debug.c and i830_sdvo.c to compare the state between working and not working
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[13:49:16]  <TMM> anholt: so, I switch to a vt, do the dump (with both heads working) then switch to X, do the dump again and compare regs?
[13:55:20]  <anholt> sure
[14:00:26]  <TMM^ I'll do that right away
[14:09:27]  <TMM> how ironic, the debug tool won't compile :)
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[14:24:21]  <TMM> anholt: is there already a tool to do the SDVO dumping? or will I have to construct my own using the code in i830_sdvo.c ?
[14:25:50]  <TMM> as far as I can see (but I have to admit, I don't know all that much about how the regs should look) the regdump looks correct, it sets up the second pipe for the correct resolution and configures it for dvo.
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[14:29:21]  <TMM> anholt: yes, as far as I can see both pipes get configured identically, which is what you'd expect, right?
[14:29:37]  <anholt^ there's sdvo register dumping already in i830_sdvo.c.  All you'd have to do is call it from the driver whenever you want to dump (enter/leavevt)
[14:30:17]  <anholt> the pipe configuration is likely to be correct, while the sdvo setup is most likely to be incorrect.
[14:30:45]  <TMM^ when I switch from X to vt, the console no longer works, I think it'll be hard to get any proper data out of it
[14:30:56]  <anholt> ok, so dump at server startup.
[14:31:44]  <TMM^ OK, I'll try. My xorg code foo isn't totally up to snuff, but I'm sure I'll figure it out :)
[14:33:01]  <TMM> I stick it in I830PreInit ?
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[14:46:50]  <TMM> anholt: well, I've managed to segv my x server several times :) I think I'm missing something
[14:47:27]  <TMM> I use i830_sdvo_dump_device(), right?
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[21:33:55]  <edsiper> I need  to get in touch with some Xephyr developer... is any one around here ?
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[21:44:53]  <edsiper> I'm trying to "reparent" Xephyr using the -parent argument and it works, but all programs loaded on this Xephyr instance can't get the keyboard events... any tips ?
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[23:30:13]  <edsiper> what's the right mailing list in order to ask a problem related with Xephyr ?
[23:34:37]  <airlied^ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org
[23:34:46]  <edsiper^ thanks
[23:37:16]  <whot> airlied: btw. is xorg@ locked up or am I the only one not getting emails?
[23:38:22]  <airlied^ not sure last one I have is from 2 days ago
[23:39:09]  <whot^ same with me. but I didn't get a number of bugzilla emails
[23:41:50]  <airlied> hmm nothing obvious in mailq on gabe but I'm not priv to do anything more.
[23:42:14]  <whot> fair enough. thx
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[23:54:02]  <edsiper> hm, I just sent an email and it still don't arrive to the list..
[23:56:00]  <airlied> keithp, anholt : you guys able to unclog mailman, it seems to be stuck on xorg list
[23:56:28]  <keithp^ sigh.
[23:57:28]  <keithp> I poked it (restarting mailman)
[23:57:32]  <keithp> we'll see how it goes
[23:59:08]  <keithp> uh-oh
[23:59:15]  <keithp> IncomingRunning is dying
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[00:45:53]  <dcbw> airlied: around?
[00:45:56]  <dcbw> agd5f: ping
[00:46:16]  <agd5f^ pingish
[00:47:18]  <dcbw^ hey; benh was ranting about LVDS_GEN_CTRL on M7 this past week.  he figured the only way to sort out the mess was to get some docs from AMD/ATI on the values and sequences that you have to poke those values into the register.  Just wanted to see if there was anything you could dig up about that
[00:47:40]  <dcbw> my bloom issue definitely happens when doing the first write to LVDS_GEN_CTRL by the way
[00:47:48]  <benh+ heh
[00:48:03]  <benh> yeah, from experience, you have to follow a carefully timed sequence of event to turn panels on/off
[00:48:06]  <dcbw+ doesn't happen on my T42 with same chipset and same x driver :)
[00:48:07]  <agd5f> benh: hey
[00:48:13]  <dcbw^ but does on hte iBook of course
[00:48:30]  <agd5f> pc
[00:48:36]  <benh^ what we used to have there -somewhat- worked with bloom more often on some models than others but I never got it totally reliably
[00:48:37]  <agd5f> 's seem more forgiving. 
[00:48:47]  <benh^ could be the type of panel used too...
[00:50:00]  <agd5f^ on the pc's most of the delays are in the lvds bios tables.  I can probably dig up the proper sequence.  on the macs...i dunno
[00:50:20]  <benh^ on the mac they probably are hard wired in the driver for each model :-(
[00:50:28]  <agd5f^ yup
[00:50:33]  <agd5f> they are
[00:50:46]  <benh^ the good news is that ATI has the source for the mac drivers
[00:50:53]  <benh> so it might be possible to extract the tables
[00:51:05]  <benh> and do something based on the OF "name" of the card or similar
[00:51:25]  <benh> in the early days, the ATI "mac" folks used to help quite a bit ... they gave me the D2 code for M6...M9 for example
[00:51:54]  <agd5f^ I'll ask around.  do you remember who you talked to?
[00:52:08]  <benh> nope
[00:52:23]  <benh> it might be somewhere in my old backup of mail archives but it was a long time ago
[00:52:28]  <benh> will take a while to find out if possible at all
[00:53:02]  <agd5f> I know a couple of the mac folks, but, I'm not sure how easy it will be to dig this stuff up on the old chips
[00:53:32]  <dcbw> benh: fwiw, the bloom happens when either the screensaver or gnome-power-manager kick in and poke the panel and then it doesn't go away
[00:53:55]  <dcbw> so it doesn't just happen when X first starts and pokes the panel, but also later when other stuff kicks in
[00:54:29]  <agd5f^ does the panel ever go off or does it just stay blooming when dpms turns it off?
[00:54:36]  <dcbw^ stays blooming
[00:55:00]  <dcbw> any good way to trigger dpms and verify that though?
[00:55:27]  <agd5f^ sleep 5; xset dpms force off
[00:56:09]  <dcbw^ yeah, stays blooming
[00:56:29]  <benh+ well, easier for you than for me for sure :-)
[00:56:43]  <agd5f^ heh :)
[00:57:00]  <benh^ the problem dcbw is having could be just one little thing.. but there is a deeper problem still
[00:57:20]  <benh> for example, my rv350 laptop always had a fairly regular problem where the panel wouldn't sync properly
[00:57:29]  <benh> would have to turn it off/on/off/on until it syncs regulary
[00:57:33]  <benh> etc...
[00:57:42]  <benh> also some panels seem to have inverted values for at least the backlight modulation
[00:57:49]  <benh> and I -think- also BLON
[00:58:25]  <agd5f^ I think some oems don't even use the backlight modulation, but use gpio's instead for brightness
[00:58:55]  <benh^ apple use the modulation
[00:59:02]  <benh> but on some stuff, it seems like it's inverted
[00:59:14]  <benh> like there's a not gate on the out or so
[00:59:32]  <benh> they don't use the modulation on some very old models but that's irrelevant
[00:59:40]  <agd5f> I wouldn't put it past apple...
[01:00:17]  <agd5f> the r128's were even more sensitive
[01:00:36]  <keithp> airlied: I appear to have managed to restart mailman
[01:02:40]  <agd5f> benh: IIRC, DIGON and BLON with the tweaky bits
[01:02:45]  <agd5f> s/with/were/
[01:03:01]  <benh> they use the modulation on r128
[01:03:08]  <benh> they don't use it on really old m64's
[01:03:11]  <airlied> keithp: woot..
[01:03:20]  <benh> (talking only about laptops using mobility chips here of course)
[01:03:27]  <agd5f> yup
[01:03:38]  <benh^ yeah, there may be some other thing related to playing with LVDS_ON and LVDS_EN too
[01:04:10]  <keithp> airlied: we return you to your regularly scheduled mailbox
[01:04:27]  * airlied ponders XaaNoScanlineCPUToScreenColorExpandFill
[01:04:39]  <airlied> it fixes some font rendering in openoffice on nv.
[01:04:48]  <agd5f> benh: I'll see what I can dig up, but I'm not sure how soon I can get to it
[01:04:52]  <keithp> airlied: martian
[01:05:22]  <keithp> care to ponder the delights of graphics object management for a few minutes?
[01:05:29]  <airlied^ as ever :)
[01:05:38]  <keithp> I figured as much
[01:05:54]  <keithp> so, on Intel chips, we've got 4 cache domains
[01:06:31]  <keithp> when submitting a batch buffer, the big question for each buffer in the set is 'what cache domain contains dirty bits' and 'which cache domains are we going to use this time'
[01:07:04]  <keithp> if we're going to load bits through a different domain than one which currently has dirty cache lines, we need to do something
[01:07:36]  <airlied> yup you'd be needing some sort of sync between domains.
[01:07:39]  <keithp> So, the current theory is that each batch buffer operation needs to know which cache domains will be read from and which cache domain will be left dirty
[01:08:00]  <keithp> seems like a couple of bitmasks per buffer will suffice
[01:08:17]  <airlied> so you can know which domain each buffer is currently in and where the dirt for it will end up.
[01:08:30]  <keithp> buffers aren't really in cache domains
[01:08:35]  <airlied> what are the 4? CPU, GPU, texture, render?
[01:08:48]  <keithp> CPU, instruction, texture, render
[01:08:55]  <keithp> render is shared between 2d/3d
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[01:09:21]  <keithp> it's unlikely you'l want to go from render to instruction, but you never know :-)
[01:09:37]  <airlied> I'm assuming only the kernel will know this info..
[01:09:48]  <airlied> or is there some reason for userspace to ever care?
[01:09:49]  <keithp> a single batch buffer may use multiple domains for reading, but may only use one domain for writing
[01:10:04]  <keithp> userspace needs to tell use which domains each buffer will use
[01:10:29]  <airlied> so batchbuffer will always be a read from instruction?
[01:10:32]  <keithp> we can't tell if a rendering buffer is being read through the texture or render cache unless userspace tells us
[01:10:52]  <keithp> uh, no, instructions are GPU programs
[01:11:08]  <keithp> sounds like '5' cache domains -)
[01:11:40]  <airlied> well I suppose batchbuffers are probably not cached by the GPU so much that matters.
[01:11:51]  <keithp> it matters a bit -- you have to flush any CPU caches
[01:11:59]  <airlied> yup..
[01:12:04]  <keithp> although we'll be using WC most likely
[01:12:05]  <keithp> or movnti
[01:12:36]  <keithp> so, the benefit here is that GPU->GPU domain transfers are all in-ring, and hence require no CPU synchronization
[01:12:41]  <airlied> I suppose we could work out the texture/render by snooping the batchbuffer, but it might be nicer if userspace just told us.
[01:12:52]  <keithp> userspace will tell us
[01:12:54]  <keithp> it knows
[01:13:15]  <benh> agd5f: it waited that long, it can wait a few more weeks :-)
[01:13:19]  <keithp> I'm not going to try to decode the PS program, which has the ability to use arbitrary data
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[01:14:02]  <keithp> we do require that data end up in only one write domain though
[01:14:08]  <keithp> otherwise our brains would explode
[01:14:33]  <DrNick> what happens if userspace lies?
[01:14:45]  <keithp^ then userspace gets incorrect drawing, or a hung GPU
[01:15:06]  <DrNick> can you unhang the GPU?
[01:15:11]  <airlied> keithp: what happens if we have a render to texture + read in one batchbuffer?
[01:15:15]  <keithp> DrNick: we're trying to figure out how, but not yet
[01:15:27]  <keithp> airlied: then that batchbuffer would have a flush inside
[01:15:31]  <DrNick> what's a hung GPU do to the rest of the system?
[01:15:50]  <keithp^ with 9xx, the system keeps running. with 8xx, the system locks up
[01:15:58]  <DrNick> well, that's not good
[01:16:00]  <keithp^ don't do that.
[01:16:15]  <keithp> indeed. we don't live in a perfect world yet
[01:16:46]  <keithp> I can reset the GPU by hitting the PCI reset pins at least. That sometimes even works.
[01:17:09]  <keithp> maybe someday we'll figure out how to unwedge it without losing all of its state
[01:17:36]  <keithp> airlied: so, the API only cares about the initial and final states of the caches; a batchbuffer is free to do whatever it likes inside
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[01:17:53]  <airlied> keithp: what about two userspaces sharing buffer?
[01:18:01]  <airlied> how do they know what the other one did?
[01:18:12]  <keithp^ state is tracked in the kernel
[01:18:21]  <keithp> userspace just tells the kernel what each batchbuffer does
[01:18:27]  <keithp> We assume that batchbuffers execute atomically
[01:18:52]  <airlied^ yeah I think we need multi-batchbuffer atomicity as an aside.
[01:19:01]  <airlied> or at least life would be easier if we had it ..
[01:19:15]  <keithp> could be
[01:19:34]  <keithp> we briefly talked about a 'poly superioctl' which would let you pass multiple batchbuffers down to the kernel
[01:19:59]  <keithp> recall that one very important goal is to eliminate user-space locking...
[01:20:11]  <airlied^ yeah thats why we need it.
[01:20:24]  <keithp> poly superioctl is a fairly easy extension then
[01:21:29]  <keithp> airlied: although, we'll be pushing to get contexts running in the intel driver, which would make some of that unnecessary
[01:21:43]  <keithp> no need to re-init the hardware in each batch buffer then
[01:22:06]  <keithp> airlied: so, any thoughts on how this 'domain' stuff would work with radeon?
[01:22:37]  <keithp> Could you use that to migrate objects into vram as needed?
[01:23:16]  <airlied^ hmm possibly... if we knew the CPU didn't care..
[01:23:30]  <airlied> I'm trying to think what sorta cache domains we would have,
[01:23:32]  <keithp> the batchbuffer would tell you if the CPU was going to be reading
[01:23:34]  <airlied> probably similiar enough..
[01:23:47]  <keithp> of course, the actual cache domains would be driver-specific
[01:24:06]  <keithp> although, we'd make domain 0 be 'CPU' probably?
[01:24:20]  <airlied^ yeah may as well for that case..
[01:24:40]  <airlied> so the kernel would do all the cache flushes when it needed them in the ring?
[01:24:56]  <keithp^ for GPU->GPU transfers, the flush would go in-ring
[01:25:15]  <keithp> for other transfers, the kernel might have to stall the ring and do 'magic'
[01:25:46]  <keithp> like flushing CPU caches and the chipset
[01:25:46]  <keithp> or doing the dance needed to get GPU memory coherent for the CPU
[01:25:50]  <airlied^ yeah I'm mostly thinking between the parts of the GPU, dst and zcaches in our case.
[01:26:07]  <keithp> are there in-ring flush operations available?
[01:26:49]  <airlied^ on radeon yes, thought I'm wondering if there are any wait requiremenbts.
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[01:27:29]  <keithp> airlied: if you can stick everything in-ring, then there's no CPU interaction in the middle. otherwise, you take an interrupt and figure it out from there
[01:27:35]  <keithp> sub-optimal, but workable
[01:28:10]  <keithp> so, I'm thinking we just have a per-domain 'flush' operation which takes the mask of future read domains
[01:28:58]  <keithp> track which write domain holds data for each buffer, then on submit, do the appropriate flushing
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[01:29:27]  <keithp> as an obvious optimization, the flush operations could be tracked so that other buffers in the same cache domain would also be marked flushed
[01:29:47]  <keithp> although, that would depend on precisely how the flush operation worked -- if it were per-buffer, then you wouldn't do that
[01:30:11]  <airlied> most likely it'll be all or nothing..
[01:30:16]  <airlied> at least on current chips.
[01:30:20]  <keithp> Not forever, trust me
[01:30:33]  <airlied> oh I'm sure later ones will be more like CPUs.
[01:30:35]  <keithp> caches will get bigger :-)
[01:30:48]  <airlied> we also have the option between cache flushing and invalidation.
[01:30:57]  <airlied> I'm just wondering if I have enough info to know which I need.
[01:31:19]  <keithp^ hmm. I think so -- you'd have to flush all writes and invalidate all reads
[01:31:53]  <keithp> so, if DOMAIN_RENDER had dirty cache lines, and you were reading from DOMAIN_TEXTURE, you'd flush DOMAIN_RENDER and invalidate DOMAIN_TEXTURE
[01:32:26]  <keithp> fortunately, we have a limited set of write domains
[01:32:28]  <airlied> hmm actually I think I have flush and flush/invalidate.
[01:32:37]  <keithp> of course
[01:32:46]  <keithp> oh, so you want to know if you need to invalidate the render cache
[01:32:55]  <keithp> you'd do that when transitioning from CPU to GPU
[01:33:23]  <airlied> hmm actually maybe they are separate ops, hard to know with the info I have.
[01:33:25]  <keithp> sounds like you get to preserve the render cache when doing RTT though
[01:33:27]  <keithp> that's fairly sweet
[01:34:00]  <airlied> hmm for ZCACHE I can either invalidate or flush/invalidate
[01:34:18]  <airlied> for DSTCACHE I think I can invalidate and/or flush
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[01:34:30]  <airlied> but I'd need AMD to fill in the blanks in my brain.
[01:34:31]  <keithp> it's all random
[01:34:59]  <keithp> airlied: I'm sure AMD would love to fill the blanks in your brain with live ammunition :-)
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[01:45:44]  <keithp> airlied: mesa has a max width of 4096 pixels. any reason I can't bump that to 8192?
[01:48:10]  <airlied^ there was a reason before  Ithink.
[01:48:14]  <airlied> but I disreember it.
[01:48:27]  <keithp^ seems fairly harsh on drivers
[01:48:32]  <airlied> my brain is saying bits of precision and hardware..
[01:48:36]  <airlied> but it probably shouldn't matter.
[01:48:38]  <keithp> heh
[01:48:49]  <airlied> you have a > 4096 hw?
[01:49:23]  <airlied> hhehe.. bug 578
[01:50:32]  <keithp^ 965 does 8192
[01:50:57]  <eboettcher> O.O
[01:51:20]  <airlied> keithp: 8192 stride?
[01:51:26]  <airlied> or 8192 * bpp?
[01:51:41]  <eboettcher> that's big enough to render to UHDV
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[01:52:40]  <keithp> airlied: 8192 pixels
[01:52:58]  <keithp> looks like the mesa software rasterizer might explode
[01:53:13]  <keithp> my level of care is fairly low though
[01:53:24]  <airlied^ but if you did it all in hw then you could get away with it.
[01:53:34]  <keithp> some day that might actually happen
[01:53:40]  <airlied> I'm ssure you can set ctx->Const.MaxViewportWidth in the driver
[01:53:55]  <keithp> sure, but I'm mostly interested in max texture size
[01:54:10]  <keithp> as compiz can't run on really big setups at present
[01:54:56]  <eboettcher> i965 can output to display configurations that large?
[01:55:12]  <keithp^ well, it can render to objects that large
[01:55:21]  <keithp> getting them out a port is problematic
[01:55:34]  <airlied^ yeah you can't scan that out at all yet can you?
[01:55:40]  <keithp^ sadly, no
[01:55:44]  <keithp> FSAA ftw!
[01:57:09]  <airlied^ bring it up on mesa3d-devel, maybe gallium will fix it :)
[01:57:23]  <keithp^ gallium fixes everything
[01:57:34]  <airlied^ if that doesn't I'm sure kernel modesetting will.
[01:58:10]  <eboettcher> how is that kernel modesetting?
[01:58:21]  <keithp^ it isn't.
[01:58:22]  <eboettcher> I have all ati cards here so I wouldn't know :)
[01:58:29]  <airlied> it would be better if I wasn't fixing bugs in the nv driver.
[01:58:53]  <keithp^ heavy sigh.
[01:59:06]  <keithp> at least it sounds like our memory domain technique may not be entirely insane
[01:59:26]  <keithp> anholt has the basic allocator up and running, with pread/pwrite talking to the bits
[01:59:52]  <keithp> a bit of memory domain love, fencing and GTT fun, then we're ready for superioctl and testing
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[02:02:19]  <airlied> keithp: got movnti bits?
[02:02:27]  <keithp^ GTT WC mapping ftw
[02:02:40]  <keithp> I'm thinking that'll be better anyway -- no chipset flush horror show
[02:03:05]  <keithp> plus, we'll be allocating the GTT aperture at the right point too
[02:03:13]  <keithp> so, it's kinda free
[02:03:55]  <keithp> that, of course, is only for the write-only data. For pixel objects, we'll be mapping/unmapping from GPU and CPU so we can get cached CPU access on fallbacks
[02:04:14]  <keithp> I'm thinking I don't really care about the performance cost of that transition
[02:04:19]  <keithp> it better never happen...
[02:04:31]  <airlied^ got trapezoids?
[02:04:45]  <airlied> on my 915..
[02:04:57]  <keithp^ that's all CPU side, then pwrite to GPU
[02:05:10]  <airlied^ will I not need to blend things?
[02:05:19]  <airlied> or do I CPU render to some sort of temporary and composite?
[02:05:28]  * airlied knows nothing about trapezoids..
[02:05:40]  <airlied> other than the profiles I had always gave them as the fallback
[02:05:44]  <keithp> CPU computes the mask (sigh), then push the mask to the GPU and composite from that
[02:06:00]  <keithp> hoping to have GPU-computed trapezoids at some point
[02:06:10]  <keithp> at least on 965, if not 915/945
[02:07:10]  <keithp> one trick will be to avoid using the GPU to clear the trapezoid mask buffer
[02:07:35]  <keithp> as that will cause all kinds of hurt when pulling it back to the CPU for trapezoid rasterization
[02:07:47]  <airlied^ oh I wonder is that the bad thing I was seeing )
[02:08:04]  <keithp> what you're seeing is trapezoid rasterization to WC memory probably. that's really bad.
[02:08:17]  <keithp> we have to make that cached
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[03:30:24]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[03:37:29]  <MrCooper> hmm, is the xorg list stuck?
[03:38:26]  <airlied^ keithp unwedged it earlier
[03:40:37]  <MrCooper> okay, I posted something ten minutes ago and it hasn't come through... maybe I'm just too impatient :)
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[03:43:43]  <airlied> MrCooper: well it may have fallen over again.. :)
[03:44:02]  <airlied> in which case kick daniels :)
[03:45:40]  <MrCooper> I would if he was here ;)
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[04:20:23]  <MrCooper> looks like the lists have caught up
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[04:24:31]  <airlied> MrCooper: daniels kicked it again.
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[04:25:09]  <MrCooper> airlied: excellent, thanks to him and to you for kicking him :)
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[12:56:46]  <stillunknown> How does a driver determine if a monitor needs dithering or not?
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[13:04:22]  <dagb> is it an xserver bug if a certain driver+application+action combination causes the xserver to consume 100% CPU?
[13:06:29]  <stillunknown> not by definition
[13:07:21]  <stillunknown> As soon as the driver becomes relevant it's more often the driver that is responsible.
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[13:10:27]  <MrCooper> it really depends on the specific combination and where the cycles are burned
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[13:15:49]  <dagb> attaching gdb never brings me to the 'gdb>' prompt, which ajax stated indicates a drm problem.
[13:16:05]  <dagb> if I understood him correctly, that is.
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[13:21:42]  <krh> dagb: yeah, that indicates a kernel side busy loop
[13:22:24]  <krh> you could try a recent sysprof, which should give you a stacktrace from the X server all the way into the kernel
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[13:44:57]  <dagb> krh: thanks
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[15:10:05]  <vignatti> marcheu: I always read multi-head as not necessarily single-head/multi-crtc but also multi-card
[15:10:13]  <vignatti> weird
[15:10:36]  <marcheu> hmmm for all the years I4ve been here, multi head was single card
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[16:06:43]  <jasonlife> Since i810_drv doesn't support i965 and I need to use intel_drv instead, and I found that intel_drv doesn't support zaphod mod.  Is there a way I can configure my i965 with zaphod mode?
[16:07:50]  <airlied^ logic suggests no.
[16:08:23]  <jasonlife> Is there a chance the zaphod back like ATI driver?
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[16:09:53]  <airlied> jasonlife: don't think Intel have any plans in that direction.
[16:10:04]  <jasonlife> I'm wondering whether there is newer version of i810 driver since 1.7.4.
[16:10:15]  <airlied^ i810 is dead.
[16:10:19]  <airlied> intel replaced it.
[16:10:45]  <jasonlife> Intel driver is maintained by Intel?
[16:10:49]  <airlied^ yes..
[16:10:54]  <jasonlife> I see.
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[16:54:43]  <bryce> is Xorg currently set up to use page attribute table support if it is present in the kernel?
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[16:59:36]  <jbarnes> bryce: not yet... we're waiting for the right kernel interfaces to land
[16:59:46]  <bryce^ ah thanks
[16:59:47]  <jbarnes> once that happens, we can update libpciaccess to use the new stuff
[17:00:03]  <bryce^ (our kernel team is asking us if it's worth including)
[17:00:21]  <jbarnes> on some machines it'll be the only way of getting a write combined frame buffer
[17:00:47]  <jbarnes> so if you've already pulled in the bits to support resourceN_wc files adding libpciaccess support should be easy
[17:00:53]  <jbarnes> and definitely worth including
[17:01:27]  <bryce> does this improve perf for 3D only, or also 2D?
[17:02:52]  <ajax> yes.
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[17:33:25]  <OgreBoy> ajax: I've had a couple of apparent freezes recently, with lots of "kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_{idle,reset,start}] *ERROR* radeon_cp_{idle,reset,start} called without lock held, held  0 ..." type messages in /var/log/messages after reboot.
[17:33:42]  <OgreBoy> appears to coincide with trying to switch from direct to indirect rendering with kwin
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[17:34:25]  <OgreBoy> are there any *useful* debug options for radeon kernel module, etc?
[17:36:29]  <npen> hello !
[17:36:37]  <npen> I've got a question about x11perf -aa10text relevance
[17:37:23]  <ajax> OgreBoy: dunno, sorry.
[17:37:30]  <OgreBoy> np
[17:37:35]  <npen> On my config, it seems that the text is not antialiased
[17:37:48]  <OgreBoy> should probably bug alex or dave anyway
[17:37:49]  <npen> (much better result on XAA than on EXA)
[17:38:23]  <npen> so I looked at the x11perf source code, and
[17:38:30]  <npen> fc-match --verbose "charter:antialias=true:rgba=0:pixelsize=24" gives me
[17:38:41]  <npen> antialias: FcFalse(s)
[17:39:19]  <npen> so I guess it's not testing aatext
[17:40:27]  <npen> Is this a fontconfig configuration problem ? this is standard debian sid config...
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[20:51:36]  <idr> keithp:  Where can I find that wfb module you were telling me about?
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[23:42:57]  <anholt> idr: build option for xserver/fb/
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[06:58:40]  <mraudsepp> CP|home: ping
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[07:03:05]  <Q-FUNK> mraudsepp: still asleep for a couple of hours
[07:03:48]  <mraudsepp> couple hours pong delay sounds good ;)
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[07:04:21]  <mraudsepp> CP|home: do you intend to nominate the geode pci id commit for cherry-picking to 1.5 branch? Seems that commit was done after 1.5 branched
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[07:16:12]  <stillunknown> The moving window generates damage problem, is that strictly for non-automatic redirection?
[07:19:00]  <stillunknown> (bug 4336)
[07:19:29]  <stillunknown> 5275 i meant
[07:21:16]  <MrCooper^ think so, doesn't automatic depend on the damage?
[07:21:42]  <stillunknown> That i do not know, hence i ask.
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[07:25:16]  <MrCooper> stillunknown: the bug comments and patch seem to talk about only suppressing damage for manual redirect
[07:26:32]  <Q-FUNK> mraudsepp: mailing list might be a safer place to ask for those checklist items. :)
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[10:46:01]  <ajax> aaronp: i'm not super happy with wfb now.
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[10:47:09]  <ajax> aaronp: afaict, you can't use it on more than one screen, if those screens supply different wfb{Read,Write}Memory calls.
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[12:49:29]  <aaronp> ajax: Yeah, you have to set the Read/Write pointers every time you set up.
[12:50:14]  <aaronp> It's good for us because we plug in a variety of different functions depending on the types of surfaces being used, but I can see it being not so hot for other drivers.
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[14:24:27]  <idr> aaronp, ajax: Is there some driver that I can use as an example of how to use wfb?  I'm going to have to use it on xgixp. :(
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[14:26:03]  <ajax> nvidi... oh, wait.
[14:26:16]  <idr> :(
[14:26:46]  <ajax> it's not too bad though.  wfbScreenInit() takes two additional function pointer args at the end
[14:27:28]  <ajax> which are the setupWrap and finishWrap hooks.  in them, you stuff your decoding functions into wfb{Read,Write}Memory, and then restore the old ones at finish
[14:27:55]  <idr^ Sounds easy enough.
[14:28:05]  <ajax> and then there's also a memcpy path you have to wrap the same way
[14:28:44]  <ajax> what does xgixp need it for?
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[14:30:28]  <idr> ajax:  Byte-swapping on PowerPC.
[14:31:03]  <idr> They have surface like the Radeon, but I can't get them to work.
[14:32:22]  <ajax> and i assume it doesn't have a global endianness flag like mga
[14:33:17]  <idr^ It has that too, but apparently that hardware doesn't work.  Neat, huh?
[14:33:27]  <ajax> shiny!
[14:35:59]  <idr^ Or something like that.
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[14:54:23]  <aaronp> ajax: You don't need to restore the old ones at finish, because the next wrap call should set them up again.
[14:55:48]  <aaronp> ajax & idr, rather
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[15:01:09]  <dagb> whot: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13511
[15:01:45]  <dagb> You state: "Tom's patch is already in master." Did you commit it?
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[15:07:55]  <dagb> whot: never mind, found the commit
[15:08:15]  <idr> aaronp: Okay.
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[15:31:20]  <TMM> I have something interesting: When I add a second VGA card to my intel G35 based system, the on intel driver will segfault at X startup :-/
[15:32:17]  <TMM> http://pastebin.ca/1002112
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[15:32:29]  <TMM> it apparently crashes while trying to initialize randr
[15:32:36]  <TMM> has anyone seen this before?
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[15:39:04]  <TMM> is there any way to have the intel driver not enable randr?
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[15:54:38]  <TMM> ah, apparently it is not possible to use a randr1.2 driver with xinerama
[15:55:03]  <TMM> I COULD use the i810 driver, but 915resolution doesn't know my intel chip, so it won't go to 1680x1050
[15:55:09]  <TMM> interesting catch-22
[16:01:08]  <TMM> nevermind, decided to patch 915resolution myself :)
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[17:21:11]  <stillunknown> TMM: are you sure i810 works with a G35?
[17:23:12]  <TMM^ using it now
[17:23:34]  <TMM> sans DRI, but that's because of xinerama, it worked fine with DRI with just one head
[17:24:21]  <TMM> interstingly enough, the second pipe doesn't work all that well on i810, whatever gets connected to pipeb causes severe screen corruption
[17:25:39]  <stillunknown> i810 still dates from the vbios driven driver era
[17:25:49]  <stillunknown> which is not so good for dual head
[17:25:58]  <stillunknown> which is why intel was made
[17:27:00]  <TMM> it shows :)
[17:27:26]  <TMM> well, I should get my SDVO card this friday, then I won't have to use the HDMI out anymore, I recon the G35 will just work(are) then
[17:27:49]  <TMM> I just couldn't bear that extra monitor turned off on my desk anymore
[17:27:50]  <TMM> ;)
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[20:01:23]  <aaronp> Shouldn't dixLookupResource(foo, someBogusXID, RT_COLORMAP, bar, baz) return BadColor rather than BadValue if someBogusXID isn't a Colormap?
[20:02:03]  <aaronp> Or is it up to the caller to translate?
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[20:21:07]  <DrNick> *sigh*
[20:21:27]  <DrNick> Firefox crashing everytime a site creates a DIV bigger than 2048 pixels in at least one dimension is getting annoying
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[20:26:06]  <airlied> DrNick: btw what card/driver is that again?
[20:26:19]  <DrNick> R200
[20:26:33]  <DrNick> ATI FireGL 8800
[20:27:37]  <airlied> using EXA?
[20:28:49]  <DrNick> yes
[20:28:58]  <DrNick> on latest F8 server/driver
[20:29:00]  <agd5f> did the something change with how libGLcore.so gets built?
[20:29:13]  <anholt^ yeah, glcore is now built from mesa
[20:29:20]  <airlied> DrNick: its failing on pixmap create I wonder why.
[20:29:34]  <anholt> it's almost like some sort of sane build process
[20:30:26]  <agd5f^ is it a new build target in mesa?  I haven't really been following that thread too closely
[20:31:56]  <anholt^ looks like it gets built regardless
[20:32:49]  <DrNick> huh, apparently the most recent crash that raised my ire was caused by XQueryPointer failing
[20:38:12]  <jcristau> airlied: bug 15706?
[20:38:16]  <DrNick> oh, wait, forgot the --sync
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[20:45:06]  <agd5f> wow, otayler's glyph changes make a HUGE difference
[20:45:51]  <agd5f> 1040000.0/sec for aa10text on r5xx
[20:46:30]  <anholt^ nice!
[20:46:58]  <anholt> (you are getting an antialiased font chosen, right?)
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[20:47:07]  <agd5f> anholt: I was getting 385000 before
[20:47:45]  <airlied> DrNick: ah fixed in F9, not planning on another F8 server until post F9 release
[20:47:48]  <airlied> not enough time.
[20:47:57]  <agd5f> anholt: how do I check?
[20:48:42]  <anholt^ ^Z and see if there's any gray?
[20:48:48]  <anholt> might be hard if it goes that fast, though
[20:49:09]  <anholt> it's always been easy to see pixels get saturated at speeds I've encountered.
[20:50:04]  <agd5f^ looks like it
[20:50:11]  <DrNick> I can live with installing things out of rawhide
[20:51:05]  <airlied^ well F9 is "stable" now :)
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[20:51:33]  <DrNick> ok, so much for that idea
[20:51:38]  <airlied> I think rawhide will have lots of deps over F8
[20:51:41]  <DrNick> the dependency tree is absurdly large
[20:54:51]  <airlied^ I'm just pushing a new server into koji.
[20:55:22]  <airlied> it was only a one line patch.
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[20:55:37]  <airlied> DrNick: xserver-1.3.0-exaupgrade-fix-max-pixmap.patch
[20:55:42]  <airlied> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589383
[20:55:47]  <airlied> when it finishes.
[20:56:18]  <DrNick> <3
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[21:01:07]  <airlied> oops messed up ..
[21:01:27]  <jcristau^ the patch looks reversed (looking at cvsweb)
[21:02:11]  <jcristau> heh, fixed :)
[21:02:23]  <airlied^ yeah I messed up somehow.. I'm mostly watchin Stargate on the couch, this task is secondary :)
[21:03:22]  <airlied> DrNick: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589404
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[21:07:31]  <agd5f> airlied: you already have the surgery?
[21:08:01]  <matthewf> is there a manual/tutorial on using X and what events the server responds to?
[21:08:21]  <airlied> agd5f: yup, yesterday my time..
[21:09:09]  <airlied> thankfully not too painful, just getting over the general anastehic taking more outta me.
[21:09:58]  <agd5f> glad to hear it went well
[21:11:05]  <airlied> just have to stay home for 2 weeks to avoid infections..
[21:14:31]  <eboettcher^ what kind of surgery did you get?
[21:15:30]  <airlied^ nose straightening.
[21:15:40]  <airlied> technically an SMR + turbination
[21:15:56]  <whot> matthewf: that's a very broad question. what do you want to do
[21:16:51]  <matthewf> I want to know what events I can validly route to my application, specifically to implement a wakeup routine
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[21:18:23]  <matthewf> or, where can I find out what you may find in XEvent->type
[21:18:52]  <whot> IIRC Xproto.h lists all opcodes
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[21:23:06]  <matthewf> whot: nope
[21:25:20]  <matthewf> X.h is where it is
[21:28:01]  <anholt> cjb: any idea what's up with the "fatal: Entry 'configure.ac' not uptodate. Cannot merge." on the tinderbox?
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[21:30:24]  <cjb> anholt: nope, hadn't seen it.
[21:30:26]  <matthewf> I'm porting a windows application and looking for the X equivilant of: SetEvent(WIN32_STATE(wakeUpEvent));
[21:30:35]  <anholt> cjb: recurring on the freebsd tinderbox
[21:30:40]  <cjb^ ah, I don't run that one.
[21:30:46]  <cjb> benjsc does.
[21:30:54]  <cjb> is it in fontconfig?
[21:31:03]  <anholt> nope, random modules per run, it seems
[21:31:07]  <cjb> eek.
[21:31:18]  <matthewf> which, the author has told me, is just an event that wakes up the application from sleeping and does nothing else
[21:31:31]  <anholt> also need to smack him to install python on that machine :)
[21:31:50]  <cjb^ python2.5, specifically.  he has python2.4 installed.
[21:31:57]  <anholt> ahh
[21:33:53]  <matthewf> so, basically, I just need to get something sent immediately to one of the files the application is select()'ing, and the X input stream seems the easiest
[21:37:40]  <whot> anholt: want me to tell benjsc?
[21:40:43]  <whot> matthewf: I guess an expose event would do
[21:43:31]  <matthewf> the expose event is handled by a full redraw
[21:43:59]  <matthewf> I think I just should send some event that is not handled
[21:46:08]  <anholt> whot: sure.  I try to poll the tinderbox periodically for freebsd issues
[21:46:53]  <whot^ k. i will be in the office in the arvo and tell him to fix it.
[21:51:14]  <matthewf> of those that are not handled, NoExpose and MapNotify seem the most harmless
[21:51:23]  <matthewf> don't know what they do
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[21:55:19]  <whot> matthewf: MapNotify tells the client that the window has been mapped. this may break semantics in some cases if you just send one (apps should cope with it, but...)
[21:55:26]  <whot> NoExpose AFAIK is a NOOP
[21:58:31]  <matthewf> cool
[21:59:51]  <whot^ so, you're trying to use XSendEvent to wake up an app?
[21:59:59]  <matthewf> ya
[22:00:32]  <matthewf> since the x event stream is an easily accessable global stream that select() is waiting on
[22:02:24]  <matthewf> the windows version used a the windows SetEvent() function for the same purpose
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[22:18:11]  <anholt> agd5f: yeah, updating server to otaylor just took my text from 50k/sec to 315k/sec.
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[23:53:24]  <DrNick> airlied: thanks
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[00:38:38]  <spstarr> airlied: ive had that surgery
[00:38:58]  <spstarr> I enjoyed the heavy loss of blood and morphine :-)
[00:39:18]  <spstarr> i had a bad deviated septum, i needed two surgeries to fix my nose
[00:39:39]  <spstarr> well that and the correct alignment of the nose
[00:40:05]  <spstarr> airlied: I'm guessing you do not like the gauze in the nose
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[01:46:06]  <airlied> spstarr: thankfully mine wasn't too serious.. no gause packing :)
[01:46:19]  <spstarr> lucky!
[01:46:43]  <spstarr> i admit the morphine was pretty cool though
[01:47:16]  <spstarr> I remember when I came to, they nurse saying, "he's waking up, give him more"
[01:47:38]  <spstarr> the withdrawal however ...
[01:48:07]  <airlied> damn I got no morphine..
[01:48:11]  <spstarr^ you couldn't breath from one side?
[01:48:33]  <airlied^ prety much, I broke it years ago.
[01:48:35]  <spstarr^ my operation turned into a 2.5 hour
[01:49:12]  <spstarr> same, ever since i fixed it, the smell of broccoli is putrid to me
[01:50:23]  <spstarr> being on morphine isn't fun, worse the nurses shuffled me onto a wheelchair and my parents moved me into the car, never felt so sick ever
[01:52:19]  <spstarr> "Early symptoms include watery eyes, insomnia, diarrhea, runny nose, yawning, dysphoria, and sweating and in some cases a strong drug craving. Restlessness, irritability, loss of appetite, body aches, severe abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting, tremors, and even stronger and more intense drug craving appear as the syndrome progresses. Severe depression and vomiting are very common" :(
[01:52:25]  <spstarr> the withdrawal however ...
[01:52:47]  <spstarr> not fun...
[01:53:54]  <spstarr> i dont recall those symptoms other than the last one
[01:54:47]  <spstarr> 'pain associated with surgical conditions, pre- and postoperatively'
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[01:55:53]  <spstarr> anyhow, you got lucky :-)
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[01:56:15]  <airlied> spstarr: doesn't sound like much fun.. this sounds much better.
[01:57:03]  <spstarr> no, wasn't on top of changing the gauze, black and blue
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[02:42:20]  <Subdino> hi
[02:42:48]  <Subdino> I managed to get my touchscreen ("DIALOGUE INC PenMount USB") using evdev input driver
[02:43:42]  <Subdino> to do so, I had to discover in the code configuration parameters which do not appear in the documentation (at least not in debian sid manpage) and to change th code a bit
[02:44:02]  <Subdino> how should I proceed to submit my modifications ?
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[03:01:16]  <Subdino> gah, nevermind... I just pulled code from git, and it will never merge there
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[03:23:22]  <whot> anholt, cjb: freebsd tinderbox is broken because we had a server change here. will take a few days to get it back up, ben is still stresstesting etc.
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[04:30:00]  <whot> jcristau: thx for the cherry-pick
[04:31:45]  <jcristau> np
[04:32:23]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
[04:32:29]  <jcristau> i should probably do the same for some of the patches we're carrying on top of 1.4..
[04:34:35]  <whot> yeah, 1.4 is a bit orphaned
[04:34:43]  <whot> maybe for the better :)
[04:38:49]  <Q-FUNK> maybe, except that some distros are gonna stuck with it for the next 3 years...
[04:40:22]  <whot> d'oh
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[04:41:46]  <airlied> glad we didn't ship 1.4.. 1.5 is such a breeze ... BOT..
[04:41:48]  <airlied> NOT even..
[04:41:50]  <airlied> damn typing.
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[04:43:36]  <jcristau> airlied: it took about 6 months to get 1.4 in shape after release. maybe 1.5 will be the same :)
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[04:44:40]  <whot> jcristau: at least input is working in 1.5. mostly anyway.
[04:44:49]  <whot> that makes it different to 1.4 already :)
[04:45:14]  <jcristau^ with heavily patched 1.4 it seems ok
[04:45:31]  <mraudsepp> who do we bribe for 1.5 branch cherry-picks :)
[04:45:43]  <daniels^ what do you need cherry-picked?
[04:45:58]  <mraudsepp> sec, getting the hash
[04:46:37]  <mraudsepp> daniels: 4fa89fbe18c929e0d36
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[04:47:08]  <MrCooper> it would be a good start if requests for review didn't go to /dev/null :}
[04:47:34]  <mraudsepp> but /dev/null is the best reviewer yet. It never nack's
[04:48:11]  <MrCooper> true, unfortunately it doesn't ack either
[04:48:55]  <mraudsepp> yeah, just lacking a "if no ack for a week it's fine" policy
[04:49:03]  <mraudsepp> no nack*
[04:49:19]  <airlied> is that for 1.4 or 1.5?
[04:49:31]  <mraudsepp> 4fa8? 1.5
[04:50:04]  <MrCooper> airlied: the situation is about as unclear for either
[04:50:50]  <airlied^ you wanted some EXA pulled in
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[04:51:34]  <mraudsepp> lets pull glyph caches and run! *g
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[04:53:59]  <MrCooper> AFAICT from LWN, GCC seems to do a pretty good job at regular status updates on the current procedure required for the branches; I wish we had something like that
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[04:55:52]  <airlied> MrCooper: I suspect 1.5 will get more time once we ship F9.
[04:56:55]  <airlied> not like any other distro is going to pick it up this cycle.
[04:59:05]  <MrCooper> it might have been a candidate for Debian lenny, but I guess that doesn't count as 'distro'
[05:00:18]  <daniels^ the current procedure for 1.5 is 'convince ajax, anholt or myself'.  i'm hard to convince on exa patches, since i've never looked at that part of the world.
[05:01:28]  <mraudsepp> I suspect Gentoo will pick 1.5 up quickly enough...
[05:02:37]  <mraudsepp> daniels: convinced on 4fa89 yet? :)
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[05:08:00]  <Q-FUNK> jcristau: is Lenny targeted to release with 1.4 or 1.5?
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[05:08:31]  <jcristau> Q-FUNK: i suspect that depends whether i can find someone to fix pciaccess on alpha
[05:09:11]  <Q-FUNK^ I'd vote for demoting alpha instead.  it's lagging behind on too many things, not just X.
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[05:09:29]  <dberkholz> that might also depend on whether 1.5 comes out at some point in the relatively near future =)
[05:09:37]  <jcristau^ that too
[05:09:43]  <dberkholz> still a pretty sizeable bug list
[05:10:18]  <jcristau> Q-FUNK: your vote (or mine) is pretty much irrelevant though
[05:10:53]  <whot> dberkholz: there's a few stale bugs though. reported 2006, no followup
[05:11:39]  <airlied> hopefully F9 knocks most of the bugs out of it.
[05:11:42]  <dberkholz> my pipe dreaming is pulling the recent glcore commits into 1.5 and getting a mesa 7.1 or something just for that
[05:11:55]  <Q-FUNK> jcristau: true, but raising the issues that make alpha a candidate for demotion might get people into action to fix things ;)
[05:12:15]  <jcristau> dberkholz: and a libdrm release before that :)
[05:12:35]  <dberkholz> sure, i wouldn't mind having a 1.5 that actually builds against a released version of mesa either.
[05:13:13]  <mraudsepp^ got the git ebuilds to work with glcore new world order already?
[05:13:42]  <MrCooper> daniels: thanks for cherry-picking the EXA PolyLine fix to 1.4
[05:14:28]  <dberkholz> mraudsepp: if it works with zero changes to 'em, sure
[05:14:37]  <dberkholz> if not, get yerself commit access
[05:15:47]  <dberkholz> the mesa git still doesn't do autoconf
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[05:15:58]  <mraudsepp> dberkholz: well, all that mesa stuff in xorg-server would probably have to go away. I haven't had time to work on it yet myself, so figured you might have (and the pipe dreams seem to indicate you might have to see how good it is :)
[05:17:39]  <MrCooper+ mesa Git does autoconf
[05:18:36]  <jcristau^ he's talking about the ebuild i think
[05:18:36]  <dberkholz+ yeah i know, our packaging doesn't
[05:18:38]  <MrCooper> k
[05:18:53]  <dberkholz> some missing context for you unfortunate non-gentooers. =)
[05:19:33]  <jcristau> pfft
[05:19:54]  <daniels> MrCooper: np
[05:21:22]  <mraudsepp^ thanks
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[05:23:12]  <jcristau> daniels: mind if i cherry pick 37b1258f to 1.4-branch?
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[05:31:40]  <daniels> mraudsepp: np
[05:31:46]  <daniels> jcristau: knock yourself out
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[05:34:19]  <jcristau> daniels: thanks
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[05:50:46]  <marcheu> MrCooper: hey you actually implemented vram defrag !
[05:51:17]  <MrCooper^ yeah, crazy isn't it?
[05:51:28]  <marcheu> crazy but cool
[05:51:50]  <MrCooper^ I also adeed A1 text acceleration via the glyph cache especially for you ;)
[05:52:07]  <marcheu> hmm really ?
[05:52:19]  <tilman> does that mean that core fonts can be accelerated as well now?
[05:52:41]  <MrCooper> marcheu: yeah, the a1 glyphs are just uploaded to the a8 cache
[05:53:04]  <MrCooper> tilman: not yet, those are quite different paths in the server
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[05:53:50]  <MrCooper> tilman: that said it might be possible to do it, but I'm not sure it's worth it
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[05:55:22]  <tilman> yeah, i understand
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[05:56:27]  <marcheu> MrCooper: man that's all very great !
[05:56:46]  <MrCooper> the only app I use regularly that uses core fonts is emacs22... and it doesn't seem too slow anyway
[05:57:06]  <tilman> i'm using a core font in my terminals
[05:57:32]  <tilman> having 6+ of them really slows down workspace switches
[05:57:38]  <marcheu> rxvt ?
[05:57:42]  <tilman> urxvy
[05:58:23]  <marcheu> yeah I use rxvt and it seems non accelerated core fonts are faster than accelerated AA fonts
[05:58:57]  <MrCooper^ have you tried the glyph cache changes?
[05:59:07]  <tilman> even with the fallback penalties? :o
[05:59:11]  <marcheu> not yet, bad boy
[05:59:27]  <marcheu> I'm slacking on the xorg front these days
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[08:03:16]  <MacSlow> How do I determine what the minor-code 0 (of a XErrorEvent) is?
[08:04:11]  <MacSlow> I've 10 (BadAccess) as error-code, 2 (XChangeWindowAttributes) as request-code and this 0 as minor-code.
[08:04:18]  <MacSlow> Thanks in advance!
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[08:08:47]  <jcristau> MacSlow: that's for extensions afaik
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[08:09:30]  <MacSlow> jcristau, well I've an error-code of 10 (BadAccess), a request-code of 2 (XChangeWindowAttributes) and this minor-code 0
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[08:10:06]  <MacSlow> but I fail to find any hints regarding that in the all the headers located under /usr/include/X11
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[08:13:18]  <jcristau> for core protocol you can ignore the minor code
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[08:18:48]  <MacSlow> jcristau, core-request are always <= 127, right?
[08:19:35]  <MacSlow> at least that's the impression I get from looking at Xproto.h
[08:22:49]  <jcristau> right
[08:22:54]  <jcristau> >= 128 is extensions
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[08:36:22]  <MrCooper> MacSlow: it's the minor request code, not the minor error code
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[08:54:27]  <MacSlow> MrCooper, ah ok... thanks
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[08:56:09]  <MacSlow> MrCooper, but for core-request the minor-code is irrelevant like jcristau said?!
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[08:57:09]  <MrCooper> right
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[14:32:43]  <stillunknown> Should frame{X0, X1, Y0, Y1} represent the combined screen for randr-1.2 drivers?
[14:36:25]  <stillunknown> Also what does pScrn->mode mean in the context of a randr-1.2 driver?
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[15:14:41]  <libv> stillunknown: you either mean Modes or CurrentMode if memory serves
[15:15:32]  <stillunknown> i meant currentMode indeed
[15:20:17]  <libv> well, i am not sure, but i doubt either still has any meaning under randr conditions, as even cycling through the modeslist stopped workign
[15:20:25]  <libv> but i might be very wrong
[15:22:34]  <stillunknown> I wonder if some extensions should be disabled with randr-1.2.
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[15:23:47]  <stillunknown> Maybe even go as far and completely delete the mode stuff in screen info struct.
[15:25:48]  <libv^ what about those drivers that aren't randrised
[15:26:02]  <stillunknown> I obviously mean for randr-1.2 drivers.
[15:26:10]  <stillunknown> to avoid any improper usage
[15:26:15]  <libv> ScrnInfoRec is for all drivers
[15:26:33]  <stillunknown> true, i didn't mean deleting the entries.
[15:26:40]  <stillunknown> Just don't fill them at all.
[15:27:30]  <libv> so is it filled up when using randr 1.2?
[15:27:33]  <stillunknown> yes
[15:27:37]  <libv> ?
[15:27:48]  <libv> so chances are that randr 1.2 is still using them
[15:27:54]  <stillunknown> but consistency leaves something to be desired for
[15:27:59]  <libv> :)
[15:28:04]  <stillunknown> as nothing critical uses it
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[15:28:16]  <stillunknown> only some old extensions
[15:28:55]  <stillunknown> XVidModeExtension + mplayer crashes my system if i unplug one monitor during the run
[15:29:16]  <stillunknown> xv does strange things based on currentMode
[15:30:06]  <libv> so the xv extension was not updated to use different entries, or is this an nv specific thing?
[15:30:23]  <stillunknown> the problem is that:
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[15:30:51]  <stillunknown> - it's taking one of the monitors to fill the 'compat' pScrn entries
[15:31:11]  <stillunknown> - these are not always properly updated, hence old modes get stuck, which leads to bad clipping sometimes
[15:32:03]  <stillunknown> libv: Eventually it boils down to the fact that a single mode entry is completely unsuitable for randr-1.2
[15:32:20]  <libv^ could this be specific to the driver you're using now?
[15:33:14]  <stillunknown> possibly, but i'm talking about a fundamental problem here.
[15:33:19]  <libv> is currentmode referenced in there?
[15:33:27]  <libv> oh, sure, but ScrnInfoRec is what it is
[15:33:54]  <libv> nobody has bothered to go and clean it and xf86Mode.c up properly
[15:34:26]  <stillunknown> I can understand it's existence, just don't use it for randr-1.2
[15:34:37]  <stillunknown> Because bitrot is already obvious.
[15:35:02]  <libv> this is what replace and forget gets you
[15:35:54]  <stillunknown> if you turn a few pointers to NULL and become consistent, then you at least get nice failures, not obscure ones.
[15:36:27]  <libv> yeah, but this would mean actually fixing up the other bits that depend on this
[15:36:42]  <stillunknown> Exactly what is needed.
[15:37:02]  <stillunknown> Either disable, fix or remove.
[15:38:22]  <stillunknown> I don't mind doing some cleaning, as long as people agree that it's the right thing.
[15:39:22]  <libv> properly fixing up old interfaces is never very popular
[15:39:35]  <libv> it's always disable and then eventually remove
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[15:40:57]  <stillunknown> Some extensions could die in favor of randr provided ones (ofcource only for those drivers).
[15:41:33]  <idr> ajax: I'm in the process of fixing the last of the show stopper bugs for xgixp.  Is it too late for it to be included in the release?
[15:41:39]  <libv> yeah, so unless all but a few drivers are culled, the only real option is proper fixup
[15:42:17]  <stillunknown^ I'm merely suggesting to set some mode entries to NULL for drivers that it's inappropriate for.
[15:42:19]  <idr+ Culled or migrate to randr 1.2
[15:42:28]  <stillunknown> Not changing everything.
[15:42:43]  <libv> idr: dream on.
[15:42:53]  <idr^ I can has dreams!
[15:42:59]  <idr> :)
[15:43:00]  <stillunknown> have
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[15:43:34]  <idr> stillunknown: It's a joke.  Google image search for "i can has cheezburger"
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[15:45:04]  <mathieu> hi, (already asked on #xorg, but probably better here)  : how can I set inputdevice to a v4l device ?
[15:45:57]  <stillunknown> idr libv: realism doesn't prevent some basic sanity
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[15:50:54]  <libv> ah, wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_can_has_cheezburger
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[16:03:21]  <dberkholz> idr: hours of entertainment. i look at it whenever i'm feeling really pissed or depressed about oss stuff. =)
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[16:16:26]  <krh> dberkholz: lolcats makes everything better
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[13:02:02]  ***  Topic for #xorg-devel: End-user questions: #xorg | 7.4 blocker list:  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=xorg-7.4&hide_resolved=1 - pick a bug and fix it! | 7.4 release plan: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-February/033195.html.
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[13:04:15]  <daniels> svu: heh yeah, it's been warm here too.  unfortunately i've been travelling a bit too much to get time to sit down and look at the rules stuff, still kind of swamped in the server. :\
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[13:21:57]  <svu> daniels: troubled release?
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[13:28:24]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: saw those -geode issues at ubuntu that only seem to affect some laptop design (presumably, the german one)?
[13:30:49]  <CosmicPenguin> The autoconfig bug that just popped up today?
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[13:30:59]  <CosmicPenguin> 140051?
[13:33:49]  <Q-FUNK> yup
[13:34:30]  <CosmicPenguin> The probe function failing is an odd one
[13:34:54]  <CosmicPenguin> really, the only way that could happen is if he has no VSA and no /dev/cpu/0/msr
[13:35:39]  <CosmicPenguin> I thought like you did that maybe he had a NX or something and thought it was a LX
[13:35:43]  <CosmicPenguin> but the lspci looks right
[13:38:16]  <Q-FUNK> it indeed does
[13:38:55]  <Q-FUNK> for the msr, we could easily ask him to manually add it to the moduels list that initramfs-tools uses, then ask him to reconfigure the kernel
[13:39:05]  <CosmicPenguin> Looks like xf86MatchDevice is failing - but I'm not sure what that does
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[13:40:10]  <CosmicPenguin> very strange - this code has worked for eons - if it was the libpciaccess, I would understand
[13:40:14]  <CosmicPenguin> but...
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[13:40:35]  <Q-FUNK> device matching has failed since the rename to -geode, as far as I can tell
[13:40:37]  <daniels> svu: just shaking up some really core stuff, which i have to get in shape for 1.6 early; then i can move on to smaller targets :)
[13:40:55]  <svu^ poor old you:)
[13:40:57]  <CosmicPenguin> Q-FUNK: ah - are we missing something else in the core then?
[13:41:43]  <Q-FUNK^ I'm begining to wonder that, bjut then, what, asides from the missing PCI ID that we just added and that everyone is backporting to 1.4 core?
[13:41:47]  <daniels> svu: heh, it's fine
[13:42:25]  <svu^ it just means that May's release of xk-c will still have compat rules broken. and I'll send people's wrath to you ;)
[13:43:05]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: or actually, device matching was working before the rename, so it's got to be something else.  the LX's PCI ID was always missing before that anyhow
[13:43:21]  <Q-FUNK> hm.  I really should go and grab a bite somewhere...
[13:43:40]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: brb.  reconnecting from a nearby restaurant's wifi zone.
[13:45:50]  <CosmicPenguin> okay
[13:46:06]  <CosmicPenguin> I doubt I'll have any insights between now and then
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[13:59:51]  <daniels> svu: heh, i'm getting quite experienced at dealing with wrath now
[14:00:38]  <svu^ you'll have more practice soon. hordes of angry  russians. all the way from Moscow and SPb ;)
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[14:22:17]  <Q-FUNK> re
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[14:22:49]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: seems thta my connection timed out.  what was the last line you saw from me?
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[14:31:05]  ***  Topic for #xorg-devel: End-user questions: #xorg | 7.4 blocker list:  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=xorg-7.4&hide_resolved=1 - pick a bug and fix it! | 7.4 release plan: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-February/033195.html.
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[15:16:01]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: re
[15:16:15]  <CosmicPenguin^ hi
[15:16:54]  <Q-FUNK^ one telling sign that matching broke after the rename is Hardy's LTSP.  it does the 2-pass run:  1) -configure 2) use that config.   works wiht amd, fails with geode.
[15:17:18]  <CosmicPenguin> but we do know that -configure works with Geode
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[15:18:30]  <Q-FUNK> -configure produces a config that states "geode".  however, the driver seems to fail at using it, in LTSP.
[15:18:51]  <Q-FUNK> the odd thing is that on a standalone host, if I produce a config with "geode" as the Device, it works
[15:19:49]  <CosmicPenguin> Indeed - I just ran it again to make sure
[15:19:53]  <CosmicPenguin> Driver "geode"
[15:20:37]  <Q-FUNK> there seems to be two ways of running X with our driver:
[15:20:37]  <Q-FUNK> Xorg -configure, then use the resulting config.  used in LTSP and works with amd, but not with geode.
[15:20:37]  <Q-FUNK> or
[15:20:37]  <Q-FUNK> launch X without a config and hope for a PCI ID match, followed by a successfull DDC probing.
[15:20:37]  <Q-FUNK> which didn't work until we got around adding the ID last week.
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[15:21:34]  <CosmicPenguin> I wonder if LTSP is doing some sort of secret sauce
[15:21:35]  <Q-FUNK> now, in principle, an X core with the LX's PCI ID, followed by -geode with the libDDC patch, should always work.
[15:21:47]  <CosmicPenguin> Since it works vanilla, I think thats where you need to concentrate your debugging
[15:22:05]  <Q-FUNK> for LTSP, yes.  it's probably doing some mumbo jumbo.
[15:22:40]  <Q-FUNK> but for configless chipset match, PCI ID didn't produce the expected result, on a patched X 1.4 core on Hardy
[15:23:46]  <Q-FUNK> I tried getting my PPA to build an xserver-xorg-core with the PCI ID added.  it still doesn't manage to magically guess that we are on a geode.  it reverts to -vesa.
[15:24:24]  <CosmicPenguin> I'm not at all sure what happens deep in the X core
[15:24:44]  <Q-FUNK> me neither.  I was hoping that someone on this channel might be able to enlighten us.
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[15:25:49]  <Q-FUNK> but you were mentionign earlier something about a broken device match?
[15:27:35]  <CosmicPenguin> The report in 140051 is failing because AmdProbe is calling xf86MatchDevice, and *that* is failing
[15:27:49]  <CosmicPenguin> What that function is, or if it has anything to do with what you are talking about, I do not know
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[15:29:03]  <Q-FUNK> 00:01.1 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Geode LX Video (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[15:29:27]  <Q-FUNK> there's something different about that line, compared to our dbe61 and I cannot quite put my finger on it
[15:30:50]  <Q-FUNK> ah, right
[15:38:10]  <Q-FUNK> that ones says "prog-if 00"
[15:39:18]  <Q-FUNK> I cannot remember what our thincan says, but it's soemthign else
[15:40:06]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: added that piece of infor about missing VSA or /dev/msr and asked Billy to make one test for us
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[15:55:50]  <jcristau> daniels: annarchy is bouncing mail to bugzilla-daemon@fd.o, any chance you can look into it?
[15:56:23]  <daniels^ oh, still
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[15:57:10]  <daniels> set that up during a particularly vicious spam attack, was getting in the order of 4000 errors per day to mailer-daemon, so i just axed the alias and forgot to reinstate
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[15:57:13]  <daniels> hopefully it's better now ...
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[15:59:23]  <jcristau> thanks
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[16:00:02]  <mattst88> could someone with xserver commit access push a patch in bug 15147 through? (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=15913)
[16:02:25]  <ajax> the intel C compiler is broken.
[16:02:48]  <ajax> "gcc compatible" my ass.
[16:02:56]  <ajax> the initial patch should never have been applied.
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[16:04:45]  <dberkholz> hmm. i want to install icc, but at least on gentoo it tries to pull in 32-bit emulation stuff, which i'm really trying to avoid.
[16:05:00]  <dberkholz> and a crazy old libstdc++
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[16:09:55]  <aaronp> Is there documentation anywhere describing when it's appropriate to use the various Dix*Access types?
[16:17:33]  <mattst88> ajax, xserver compiles and runs cleanly after the original patch is applied when compiled with icc
[16:18:21]  <ajax^ that doesn't make it not broken.
[16:19:19]  <mattst88> well, you're right in the sense that it breaks compatibility by not defining __amd64__ and such
[16:19:24]  <ajax> that bug shows that icc doesn't define the same set of tokens as gcc, even though it claims to be gcc compatible
[16:19:53]  <mattst88> but I can't see the harm in a simple patch that doesn't break anything, and allows icc to compile xserver
[16:20:18]  <ajax> the harm is it sends intel the message that they're allowed to rewrite history.
[16:20:22]  <ajax> fuck that.
[16:21:29]  <mattst88> the alternative at this point is to purposefully break icc compatibility.
[16:21:40]  <ajax> don't threaten me with a good time.
[16:21:42]  <daniels> purposefully not add hacks for icc compatibility, yes.
[16:22:14]  <mattst88^ the abi states that __amd64__ and __x86_64__ must both be defined.
[16:22:30]  <ajax> ... then icc isn't ABI-conformant.
[16:22:34]  <daniels> right, so a ... yeah.
[16:22:45]  <mattst88> so checking for __x86_64__ isn't some bizarre icc-specific hack.
[16:22:58]  <mattst88> ajax, right. I said that.
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[16:23:51]  <ajax> everything you're saying here seems to indicate that we _should_ break icc.
[16:24:28]  <ajax> it's not conforming both with the published interface and with the de facto gcc interface.
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[16:28:17]  <dberkholz> some interesting history i recently heard is that amd actually called it x86-64 early on and later changed it to amd64 for marketing
[16:28:38]  <dberkholz> no idea of its veracity
[16:32:19]  <ajax> that could easily be true.
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[16:37:25]  <idr> I missed something the other day.  Where / when am I supposed to call fbPrepareAccess?
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[16:38:02]  <aaronp> idr: It's called for you by fbGetDrawable.
[16:38:20]  <idr> oh...
[16:38:53]  <idr> aaronp: So I just set the wfbReadMemory / wfbWriteMemory global pointers in PreInit?
[16:41:04]  <dberkholz^ mario kart's fun stuff. lemme know your # when you've got it handy
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[16:44:50]  <idr> dberkholz: Okay.
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[16:55:21]  <fgb> hola, I ported some xlibs to Plan 9 and just wrote the DDX part for of the server
[16:55:42]  <fgb> is there any chance I get it in the distribution?
[16:56:50]  <aaronp> idr: The pointers to those are passed into your setupfbwrap function.
[16:56:57]  <mattst88> fgb, file a bug report with a patch included :)
[16:57:00]  <aaronp> You're supposed to set them every time because another driver might plug in its own.
[16:57:28]  <fgb> ok
[16:58:43]  <fgb> thanks, I'll clean up the code, it's 4 files that would go in hw/equis, I provide an mkfile, so no need to modify the configure stuff
[16:59:21]  <daniels^ er, why would you not use the autoconf stuff? it's how the rest of your tree is broken, so i can guarantee you that your build will continually break.
[16:59:26]  <fgb> should I post in some mailing list or telling you here is enough?
[16:59:32]  <daniels> s/rest of your tree is broken/rest of our tree is built/, god
[16:59:39]  <daniels> fgb: we'll see the bug go by
[16:59:55]  <fgb^ Plan 9 is not posix compliant
[17:00:49]  <daniels^ it lacks a usable shell?
[17:01:20]  <fgb> configure wants an ls with -t, cut and other stuff
[17:01:37]  <fgb> plus if you run it on Plan 9 it says that it's not recognized
[17:01:49]  <fgb> cd hw/equis; mk
[17:01:54]  <daniels> ugh
[17:02:00]  <fgb> does the trick, I provide a dix-config.h
[17:02:05]  <daniels> and yeah, you'll need to insert some trivial hacks, but they should be just that: trivial.
[17:02:08]  <fgb> and all Plan 9's are created equal
[17:02:31]  <fgb> it took me days to figure what should I compile out
[17:02:42]  <fgb> http://plan9.kicks-ass.org/mkfile
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[17:04:03]  <daniels> *blink*
[17:06:55]  <fgb> http://plan9.kicks-ass.org/equis.png (screenshot - dwm native + dillo under linuxemu)
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[18:36:03]  <aaronp> Aaargh
[18:36:06]  <aaronp> Freaking X headers.
[18:36:35]  <aaronp> Xephyr doesn't work on 64-bit systems because hostx.c builds with the wrong size XIDs.
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[18:43:35]  <daniels> aaronp: erm, that got fixed a long time ago.
[18:46:07]  <cjb+ I use 64-bit Xephyr..
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[19:25:41]  <aaronp> Hmm, odd that I'm seeing this problem, then.
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[19:35:01]  <aaronp> Looks like it was broken by 6a435b0000 which includes kdrive-config.h, which includes dix-config.h, which defines _XSERVER64.
[19:35:29]  <aaronp> I'll file a bug.
[19:35:42]  <cjb> ooh.
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[01:25:40]  <whot> vignatti: I can switch between HW and SW cursors now.
[01:26:40]  <vignatti^ awesome
[01:26:40]  <vignatti> push it to fd.o :)
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[01:27:40]  <vignatti> whot: the idea is to use sw cursor just when we have more than one cursor?
[01:28:41]  <vignatti> but in that situation the first cursor still rendered in hw?
[01:28:41]  <whot^ nah, I switch all to SW
[01:28:41]  <whot> not sure how I'd do the selective SW rendering, the fix so far is surprisingly nonintrusive
[01:28:55]  <whot> although I bet there are some things I just missed
[01:31:40]  <vignatti^ now probably would be easy to do it better and use the first cursor always in hw
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[01:33:40]  <whot> vignatti: could be, though not quite sure yet. I need to iron out one more glitch before I can push
[01:33:40]  <vignatti> it's weird cause my quickly view at mpx code told me that we would touch a lot of mi/* to get hw cursor working again
[01:33:45]  <whot^ I can send you the two patches as they are now if you want to have a glance
[01:33:58]  <whot> this way you can stop me from doing something that doesn't go anywhere
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[01:36:40]  <vignatti> whot: I have two options right now: either I touch my dissertation qualification (which is _really_ boring right now, but I have to send it until the end of this week) or I see what you did and have more fun..
[01:38:50]  <whot^ tough choice :)
[01:39:40]  <whot> what do you want to do your thesis on?
[01:42:50]  <vignatti^ it's related with structured peer-to-peer networks
[01:43:40]  <whot^ ah.
[01:43:40]  <vignatti> the ideia is to use distributed hash tables to route informations to differents peers
[01:43:51]  <vignatti> so I'm using an scheme of replication through multiple hash functions to get a certain degree of replication
[01:44:40]  <whot^ fair enough. I have no clue in this area so I can't comment much on it :)
[01:44:40]  <vignatti> the goal is to preserve digital informations in a long-term
[01:44:40]  <vignatti> heh
[01:49:40]  <vignatti> it's cool cause my graduation thesis was something related with theory of computation. Now I'm playing with P2P in the master and having some fun with X
[01:49:40]  <vignatti> so it's three totally different things related with computers.....
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[03:25:50]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[03:53:55]  <daniels> aaronp: hostx _must not_ include any server headers.  if XEPHYR_DRI needs to be set, then that needs to be through CFLAGS.
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[05:37:52]  <conathan> Greetings
[05:38:41]  <conathan> I was trying to find some information about making touchscreens work (A product from VisualPlanet).  Serial based.
[05:38:53]  <conathan> It does not look like there are any xorg drivers for it, and I was wondering about the level of dificulty for writing xorg input drivers
[05:39:40]  * conathan hasn't been in the xorg codebase b efore
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[05:46:40]  <daniels> conathan: it's not actually difficult per se, more just that most of the existing drivers are broken.  depending on the level of complexity, you probably want to check out xf86-input-evtouch (simple), or linuxwacom (really complex).
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[05:46:57]  <conathan> good to hear.
[05:47:40]  <conathan> if I got questions, I imagine I could come here for assistance?
[05:49:40]  <daniels^ sure
[05:49:40]  <conathan> BTW, how generic are touchscreens?  Would each company have it's own protocol?
[05:50:40]  <conathan> I threw evographics, and evtouch at it...  but no results.  (one of those two, dont remember which had a debug, but it clearly shown it didn't like the datastream)
[05:50:40]  <daniels> yeah, everyone does their own stuff.
[05:50:40]  <daniels> (except via usb, where only half do.)
[05:50:57]  <conathan> the person I was assisting was going to get his hands on a usb touchscreen...  at least I'll have an ID to look up
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[06:13:40]  <Zeddie> conathan: when I was doing a serial touch screen , I wrote a kernel driver for it and had it use the same interface as evtouch
[06:14:40]  <Zeddie> if you can work out the protocol or have it in docs (I had both) it's a pretty easy bit of code to do
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[06:14:41]  <Zeddie> I really should submit that driver to the kernel
[06:15:40]  <conathan> alright
[06:15:46]  <conathan> Never done software development on a large opensource project, other then dotting the odd i when gcc gets updated...
[06:15:55]  <conathan> but know my way around the C compiler, and the memory anyway
[06:16:40]  <conathan> time to learn
[06:22:40]  <daniels^ what Zeddie mentioned (kernel driver that speaks evtouch's protocol) is also a pretty good idea.
[06:24:40]  <Zeddie> it's actually the quickest :)
[06:24:40]  <Zeddie> it's very easy code.
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[06:27:58]  <conathan> alright, thanks for the insite.
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[13:13:39]  <ajax> daniels: what's the timeframe for the death of dga?
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[13:18:11]  <svu_> daniels: pong
[13:20:42]  <ajax> holy cow Xephyr creates a lot of visuals
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[13:44:06]  <bla> I've got backtrace of X hunged with vesa driver on one screen
[13:44:21]  <bla> X hangs with 99% of cpu taken which I can reproduce easily.
[13:44:51]  <ajax> where is it hung?
[13:44:58]  <bla> http://rafb.net/p/CJLcgt51.html
[13:45:09]  <bla> I've got this on ATI (open drivers), nvidia and now on vesa.
[13:45:18]  <bla> Usually I use xinerama but now it's turned off.
[13:45:24]  <bla> It hungs if I use mine shortcut:
[13:45:33]  <bla> M-S + arrow keys to switch screens.
[13:45:43]  <bla> After few changes - infinite loop or something.
[13:45:55]  <bla> it's 1.4.0.90
[13:46:04]  <bla> 2.6.24
[13:46:09]  <bla> Newest of ~amd64 gentoo.
[13:46:27]  <bla> This hungs happen to me from about 2 months and are making me crazy.
[13:46:34]  <bla> Today I learned what causing them.
[13:46:59]  <ajax> shame you stripped your X server, otherwise we could know exactly what line we were hung on
[13:47:02]  <daniels^ um.  post-1.6?
[13:47:20]  <bla> I can reemerge it unstripped with -ggdb
[13:47:21]  <ajax> daniels: k.  just wondering how harshly to wontfix dga bugs.
[13:47:23]  <bla> If you want to.
[13:47:34]  <daniels> ajax: how severe?
[13:47:40]  <daniels> bla: try upgrading to git xserver
[13:47:50]  <daniels> svu_: is utf8 a sane default choice for ru_RU, or should it still be iso8859-5?
[13:48:07]  <ajax^ this one ended up being a bogon.  it was something about "dga2 input grabs release correctly on client death but dga1 input grabs don't"
[13:48:08]  <bla> daniels, only if you are sure it will help. ;s I'm a bit short on time.
[13:48:13]  <dberkholz^ USE=debug will do it for you. and if you have layman, you can add the x11 overlay and unmask 9999 versions of xorg-server and mesa
[13:48:19]  <ajax> which is crap since dga1 didn't have an input API
[13:48:19]  <dberkholz> bbiab, lunch
[13:48:31]  <daniels> bla: it sounds suspiciously like a bug we've already fixed.
[13:48:39]  <daniels> ajax: ...
[13:48:44]  <bla> There's a similar open on bugzilla.
[13:48:49]  <bla> dberkholz, ok, that will be next step.
[13:49:00]  <bla> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14633
[13:49:18]  <bla> Similar effect and also talking about keyboard.
[13:49:49]  <bla> dberkholz, xorg-server package or some more xf* packages?
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[13:50:58]  <bla> 19 minutes; brb then. I'll check bugzilla in the meantime.
[13:53:46]  <svu> daniels, UTF-8 is absolutely sane
[13:54:08]  <svu> iso8859-5 is something noone uses. if you REALLY want 8 bits, use KOI8-r or CP1251
[13:55:25]  <daniels^ right, i was figuring it had to be either koi8-r or utf-8, but was hoping the former.  thanks. :)
[13:58:17]  <svu^ NP. koi8-r is for die hard long bearded aged unix admins;)
[13:59:59]  <daniels> iow, people who would care about xlib locale settings?
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[14:00:48]  <ajax> the sad thing is how much of xlib could be legitimately gutted without going all the way to the xcb disaster
[14:01:48]  <cjb^ what's wrong with xcb?
[14:01:55]  <cjb> (in ten words or less, if you like)
[14:02:20]  <svu> daniels, a lot. it was one of the famous flame war subjects (koi8-r for unixoids vs cp1251 for windozers) - before utf-8 appeared
[14:02:34]  <daniels> ajax: yeah, i have vague plans of ditching a whole load of bullshit at some point.
[14:03:58]  <ajax> cjb: cookie-based request scheme not really what gtk or qt are after
[14:04:11]  <cjb> ah.  unfortunate.
[14:04:27]  <ajax> particularly since gtk is already using the internal xlib async apis...
[14:04:35]  <ajax> (sssh, don't let anyone know)
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[14:05:29]  <ajax> i mean.  the protocol descriptions are wonderful, and the idea of a thin C binding is admirable.
[14:05:35]  <ajax> but the execution seems a bit meh
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[14:05:45]  <daniels> it would seem rather unfortunate if xcb is unusable by toolkits
[14:06:53]  <Amaranth> does anyone use it?
[14:06:54]  <ajax> daniels: libX11.so.7 seems like a fine idea
[14:07:13]  <ajax> Amaranth: enlightenment, kinda.  otherwise no.
[14:07:37]  <DrNick> except toolkits tend to expose xlib bits, which means you can't update it without potentially breaking apps that use the toolkits
[14:08:04]  <ajax^ gtk exposes XIM?  god i hope not.
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[14:08:51]  <ajax> even if it does, that's fine.  that app will get libX11.so.6 anyway.
[14:09:20]  <ajax> though it's hard to know which one you need to link gtk against, i suppsoe
[14:10:23]  <daniels^ why not get the gtk people and the trolls (i think i could cajole this through various channels) to tell us what they want, instead of continually guessing wrong?
[14:10:54]  <ajax> i approve of this idea as well
[14:11:08]  <ajax> ssp's not here today, dang.
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[14:12:30]  <m_fabbri> to
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[14:18:10]  <dagb> bla: I think I know which bug you experience
[14:18:55]  <bla> Is it already fixed (shall I switch to git version) or some info can be handy?
[14:19:30]  <dagb> There is a fix in git now, if it is the same bug I had. Which is likely.
[14:19:57]  <dagb> #13511
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[14:21:35]  <dagb> A fix for the 1.4 branch was added 6 days ago
[14:21:51]  <dagb> 1.5 and head was fixed earlier
[14:22:01]  <ds> does x.org have access to the EDID spec somewhere?
[14:22:11]  <daniels^ yes
[14:22:27]  <daniels> access is available to x.org foundation members
[14:24:23]  <bla> dagb, ok, so I'll do short test with debug on, and switch to git. Any possibility to estimate when it will get to ~amd64? Hard to tell probably...
[14:25:24]  <dagb^ for gentoo? Likely not until there is another 1.4 release..
[14:26:05]  <dagb> but you can download the diff and create your own ebuild to add that patch.
[14:26:13]  <dagb> (which is what I did)
[14:26:41]  <bla> Ok, maybe the git version is not buggier than 1.4 version. I'm on development enlightenment and I live.
[14:29:17]  <TMM> Is there a list somewhere with the hardware 3d capabilities of the intel driver? I'm getting some results I'm not expecting with a game performace-wise :)
[14:29:18]  <dagb> I found building xserver from git to be more work than I cared for. Fixing the 1.4.0.90 ebuild was trivial.
[14:29:55]  <daniels> doesn't gentoo have live git ebuilds or something?
[14:30:19]  <dagb^ true. if you add the right overlay.
[14:30:20]  <leio^ I think dberkholz is looking for a new xorg-server-1.4 with a patch to bring it up to server-1.4-branch level. Or more like he's hoping I or some else takes care of it ;p
[14:30:29]  <dagb> which apparently is trivial as well.
[14:30:41]  <leio> on that note, time to rebuild for newer git again. This is still unbearable.
[14:35:03]  <ds> daniels: well, I finally bothered to rejoin x.org just now
[14:35:18]  <ds> dunno how long that takes
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[14:37:38]  <fgb> I'm reading about bugzilla, is that the only way I have to submit ddx?
[14:38:09]  <daniels> ds: poke me if you aren't a member by next week
[14:38:23]  <daniels> fgb: bugzilla or email, yes, but bugzilla is less likely to get lost
[14:38:24]  <ds^ ok
[14:38:31]  <marcheu> and once you're a member where's the stuff ?
[14:38:47]  <daniels^ on an ftp server
[14:39:06]  <marcheu> ah ? is that described on the member site ?
[14:39:38]  <fgb> daniels, email sounds better, the bugzilla web interface is over complex
[14:40:54]  <fgb> I guess I 'll have to addapt the code to use your style,http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/fgb/root/sys/src/ape/X11/cmd/X/hw/equis/equis.c (that's how it looks now)
[14:41:18]  <daniels> marcheu: i think we all know the answer to that one
[14:41:48]  <marcheu> yeah I'll know once I have my members login figured out I guess :)
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[14:42:08]  <anholt> marcheu: I apologize in advance for the new-member process.
[14:42:24]  <marcheu^ I've been a member for 2 years, just lost my password :)
[14:44:00]  <marcheu> anyway I'm hoping for magic "I'm a 18 bit panel" or "I'm a 24 bit panel" bits
[14:44:05]  <daniels> our membership stuff is currently a disaster.  i'd quit the ctte in exasperation at how little i was doing, but i don't think that'd actually help.
[14:44:23]  <marcheu^ OTOH the site always works for me
[14:44:34]  <marcheu> I don't think there's much to complain about ?
[14:45:12]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: seems that updating the SSH keys works fine, as long as I avoid keys generated with recent SSH releases that choose a pointlessly long cypher by default.
[14:46:10]  <mbalmer> 2048, afaik
[14:46:11]  <Q-FUNK> CosmicPenguin: seems that X core 1.4 and -geode 2.8.0+git20080224 just entered Debian/Testing. 
[14:47:13]  <anholt> daniels: so, can you please give me access to expo so when I've got some time I can destroy the current members site and build something new in the rubble?
[14:48:09]  <Q-FUNK> mbalmer: sounds about right.  those long cyphers seem to barf on any MTA I shove them through. the line get wrapped always.
[14:48:09]  <daniels> anholt: please! django all round.
[14:48:30]  <daniels> (assuming you like django.  but everyone likes django.)
[14:48:44]  <mbalmer> iirc, 2048 bit keys are the default now
[14:48:45]  <Q-FUNK> I prefer boba.
[14:49:11]  <bla> http://rafb.net/p/Nh3VHE51.html
[14:49:19]  <bla> Ok, trace with debug on.
[14:49:23]  <bla> dagb, is it the same?
[14:49:44]  <daniels> anholt: you now have an account on expo with the same ssh key as on fruit
[14:50:08]  <anholt^ wow, that was painless
[14:50:33]  <Q-FUNK> mbalmer: they are and that makes the mail interface of db barf.  I can shove as many lines of old 1024 bit keys as I like and it works always but, the minute i shove one of those 2048 bit keys in there somewhere, the mail interface barfs.
[14:50:42]  <dagb> bla: the one you posted earlier looked similar, I think
[14:51:23]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: is there anything in the mail interface that would clip pas a certain number of characters per line?
[14:51:42]  <daniels^ no, but iirc smtp only allows you 1024 chars per line
[14:51:59]  <bla> dagb, change a bit after cont + term
[14:52:02]  <leio> talking of accounts, maybe I should smuggle one for myself
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[14:52:55]  <Q-FUNK> daniels:  ok. so updating of keys via email will always fail using those new keys.  either db accepts lines that are wrapped or we'll need a web interface to upload new keys.
[14:53:29]  <bla> http://rafb.net/p/Dhrxgi57.html
[14:53:29]  <leio> this key update stuff is automated or what? (thinking about the obvious - attachments)
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[14:53:49]  <daniels> Q-FUNK: this is true
[14:53:53]  <Q-FUNK> leio: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/AccountMaintenance
[14:54:14]  <daniels> bla: okay, this is definitely fixed in git
[14:54:19]  <dagb+ simple enough to clone the latest 1.4.0.90 ebuild, add the patch and digest the new ebuild
[14:54:49]  <bla> daniels, thanks then.
[14:54:59]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: mind me putting a note about the key lenght on the above wiki page?
[14:55:03]  <bla> dagb, patch is in the bugzilla you've shown me?
[14:55:18]  <daniels> Q-FUNK: be my guest
[14:55:38]  <dagb> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdfb57d342da0ace14eed635804ebc31441240c5
[14:55:46]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: actually, I just noticed that you protected the page
[14:55:46]  <dagb> bla: ^
[14:56:06]  <bla^ thanks.
[14:56:30]  <daniels> Q-FUNK: you have to be logged in to edit _any_ page on www.fd.o.  this one is no exception.
[14:56:36]  <dagb> bla: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=fdfb57d342da0ace14eed635804ebc31441240c5;hp=6afcf996cade0c9464d6af9b04b177b1de138cfd
[14:56:42]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: so... would you mind adding that note yourself now, before we all forget?
[14:56:45]  <dagb> better for cutting and pasting
[14:57:26]  <daniels> Q-FUNK: it's not restricted to me or anything, it's open to any registered user ...
[14:58:49]  <Q-FUNK> hmm.. different user base for wiki.x.org and wiki.freedesktop.org ?
[14:59:49]  <Q-FUNK> *sigh* too manhy logins on too many wikis.
[15:00:07]  <bla> dagb, digesting...
[15:01:04]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: well, it seems that I'm only registered on wiki.x.org and seeing how I never need to do any editing on fd.org, I'm not gonna register there
[15:02:05]  <marcheu^ come on, even spammers can figure it out
[15:04:39]  <bla> dagb, (ok, now it fails... but gimme a minute...)
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[15:04:56]  <Q-FUNK> marcheu: I'm not laughing.  wasting one month figuring out what could be wrong with my MTA, then trying other MTA, only to find that it's an SMTP protocol issue, is not my idea of fun.
[15:06:51]  <Q-FUNK> seeing that the mail interface of the user database cannot handle the data it's expected to handle, in the current default format, is also seriously fucked.
[15:07:52]  <Q-FUNK> especially seeing how it's currently the only enabled method for updating SSH keys.
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[15:30:56]  <daniels> Q-FUNK: as registering for a wiki is too much of a burden on your day (hey, not like i have code to write or anything), i've gone ahead and updated it now.
[15:44:17]  <OgreBoy+ just use base64 encoding, gets you around the line length limit
[15:44:26]  <OgreBoy> the 1000-char limit is just for text/plain
[15:45:16]  <Q-FUNK^ surprise:  gpg outputs in base-64 already
[15:46:08]  <OgreBoy^ so where's it breaking?
[15:46:12]  <Q-FUNK> but the db interface doesn't handle base-64 or MIME, afaik
[15:46:27]  <OgreBoy> aha
[15:46:52]  <Q-FUNK> it's deprecated crap leftover from the early days of debian.
[15:47:06]  <daniels^ please, just fucking fix it then.
[15:47:25]  <daniels> the source is publicly available.  send me a patch.  i'll merge it.  it would take you less time than however many months of incessant bitching.
[15:48:33]  <Q-FUNK^ forget it.  the whole goddamn debian infrastructure that everybody in every damn free software project borrows blindly just because it's made in debian would need to be rewritten.
[15:49:01]  <Q-FUNK> and ubuntu did a pretty ygood job at it with Launchpad
[15:49:34]  <daniels> if you think launchpad is the solution, this conversation is not worth continuing.
[15:49:43]  <ajax> wow.  i think that's the first time anyone has ever said anything nice about launchpad.
[15:49:49]  <daniels> a) launchpad is crap, and has its own issues.  its bug tracker is worse than bugzilla, soyuz _still_ does not work today, etc.
[15:49:56]  <ajax> we should make a note.  erect a plaque or something.
[15:50:07]  <daniels> b) the source is not publicly available.  this would be a showstopper even if we did want terabytes of web service in order to run ssh keys.
[15:50:39]  <daniels> bearing in mind those two issues and many more which i can't be bothered to mention (i have slightly more launchpad experience than you), have you any other suggestions?
[15:50:53]  <daniels> we had infrastructure that wasn't from debian before.  guess what? it was worse! hooray.
[15:51:23]  <daniels> if you want to be bitter at debian or rant and rave or whatever, great.  just do it somewhere else, because i'm fucking sick of it in #xorg-devel, when it has nothing to do with xorg development.
[15:51:37]  <anholt> calling what we had before userdir 'infrastructure' is being awful nice.
[15:52:12]  <daniels> and if you're doing it elsewhere, you'd damn well better be coming up with a patch.  so far, i've smashed userdir-ldap into pretty decent shape so that it actually works across a few machines and a few hundred users with a relatively complex set of needs.  what have you contributed towards fd.o's infrastructure?
[15:53:23]  <ajax> in unrelated news: holy crap xaa.
[15:54:11]  <ajax> it's hard to know what's worse, the implementation, or the style
[15:54:21]  <Q-FUNK> daniels: that was gratuitous crap, thank you.  I use LP on a daily basis.
[15:54:34]  <bla> Bye, and thanks. ;)
[15:55:05]  <daniels> Q-FUNK: congratulations.  does this give you free access to the source?
[15:55:35]  <daniels> does this mean that we should replace our bug tracker and deploy a whole infrastructure for managing distributions and derivative distributions that is hideously complex? (believe me, i've seen the schema.)
[15:55:46]  <daniels> bear in mind that launchpad was meant to be deployed _once_ and only _once_.
[15:56:33]  <daniels> this is an interesting answer to the problem of needing to manage ssh keys.  i congratulate you on your willingness to deploy a second instance of launchpad (which is weeks of work, at least), but wouldn't it be easier to fix ud-l?
[15:56:38]  <daniels> hell, let me put it another way.
[15:56:54]  <daniels> since you assert that ud-l requires a rewrite and nothing else will fix it except launchpad ... have you read ud-l's source? have you read lp's source?
[15:56:54]  <Q-FUNK> thank goodness Ganneff took over from elmo.  there is still hope for debian...
[15:57:13]  <daniels> this is #xorg-devel, not #debian-didnt-let-me-in-the-rat-bastards.
[15:58:18]  <daniels> i'm assuming that you've read neither the ud-l source, nor the lp source, which really explains a lot.  thanks for playing thoughj.
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[16:09:13]  <revx__> is Barton Massey on IRC?
[16:10:15]  <ajax> not often
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[16:11:10]  <revx__> well right now I'm going down his gsoc laundry list
[16:11:54]  <revx__> among other things he wants me to setup a blog and get the URL to daniels
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[16:12:20]  <revx__> daniels: do you have a suggested space for me to do this in?
[16:12:44]  <daniels^ um, any personal web space you have; if not, there are many free options such as livejournal.com, blogger.com or wordpress.com.
[16:13:22]  <dberkholz> i recently moved to wordpress.com from livejournal.com, prefer it
[16:13:46]  <revx__> I would be violating my ISP's AUP, but I could host it from home
[16:14:00]  <revx__> which wouldn't be an issue if there's a low traffic volume
[16:14:26]  <marcheu^ TBH I think that's more like a suggestion - you could either do the whole list or actually do SoC stuff...
[16:15:28]  <revx__^ well the only other thing I'm doing so far today is messing with some GL code
[16:17:11]  <marcheu> what's your project btw ?
[16:17:31]  <revx__> DRI/Mesa r300
[16:17:43]  <marcheu> hmmm are you eboettcher/box1209 ?
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[16:17:48]  <revx__> yep
[16:17:54]  <marcheu> how many times do you change nicks :)
[16:17:55]  <revx__> I'm just housesitting this week
[16:18:06]  <revx__> well I'm housesitting and the ISP here sucks :P
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[16:19:03]  <revx__> but it's stable now.  if you look at logs of me from a couple of days ago, I think I was losing my connection hourly
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[16:19:28]  <marcheu> you don't need irc for coding anyway :) actually it's pretty detrimental in my experience :)
[16:19:36]  <revx> agreed :P
[16:20:14]  <fgb> hmm... for a static fn() "menq(int x, int y, int b, int t)" doesn't follow your coding style, right, should I rename it to MouseEnqueue?
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[16:21:16]  <fgb> (it's a 5 lines function)
[16:23:33]  <daniels^ generally function names like mouse, kproc, menq, etc, are frowned upon, in favour of more descriptive items.  as a general rule, if your function name is six characters or less, you're probably doing something wrong.
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[16:25:25]  <fgb> daniels, thanks, I'll use longer names
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[16:29:12]  <revx> marcheu: aside from Foo, revx(rot13 of my first name), my name, and box1209 I don't have any other nicks I've used much in the past 5 years.
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[17:12:08]  <ds> now that xicc is getting bashed into shape, is there any interest in either a) merging it into another configuration setting tool, or b) creating xorg/app/xicc?
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[19:10:37]  <jklehm> XListInputDevice is to xidump -l as ????? is to xsetpointer -l
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[19:11:24]  <jklehm> anyone know where to look?
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[19:27:42]  <ajax> jklehm: i'd start with the source in xorg-x11-server-utils
[19:28:19]  <ajax> or whatever your distro calls it
[19:29:02]  <ajax> but xsetpointer -l seems to just call XListInputDevices() too
[19:29:37]  <ajax> which isn't really surprising since both of those give virtually identical output
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[20:22:28]  <dberkholz> is dan nicholson on irc?
[20:22:43]  <dberkholz> for some reason i don't like emailing people when i really want to have a discussion
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[21:38:00]  <anholt> keithp: I should expect blockhandlers while vt switched away, right?
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[22:19:49]  <keithp> anholt: yes. the server doesn't stop running
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[23:24:55]  <dberkholz> is 1.4 branch basically open for commits again?
[23:25:16]  <dberkholz> i've seen a few commits from jcristau on 1.4
[23:28:06]  <airlied^ I think daniels cleared those here.
[23:29:54]  <dberkholz> heh
[23:30:01]  <dberkholz> didn't realize anybody besides debian still cared about it =P
[23:30:16]  <dberkholz> i just need something to appease users till 1.5 shows up
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[23:49:20]  <airlied> alanc_away: surely --with-openssl or --with-md would be better?
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[23:59:51]  <dberkholz> airlied: how about --with-sha1={openssl,md}
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[00:06:40]  <dberkholz> anyone know how long it takes for a repo to show up on gitweb/cgit?
[00:06:52]  <dberkholz> i just posted some patch nominations for 1.4 branch
[00:10:13]  <vignatti^ did you `touch git-daemon-export-ok` there?
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[00:25:02]  <conathan> If I may ask, what version of Mesa3d, and what xorg branch is targetted for xorg 7.4?
[00:25:35]  <conathan> I was assuming mesa 7.0.3 (Until I started poking around glxdri.c), and the server-1.5 branch...
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[01:43:08]  <dberkholz> vignatti: yeah i did
[01:44:14]  <dberkholz> aha, it showed up
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[01:49:26]  <dberkholz> people.fd.o is really slow for my ssh right now
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[03:09:11]  <dooby> what is the easiest way to convert an XKeyEvent to an ASCII code? or... can somebody tell me a good place to get Xlib help?
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[03:23:53]  <[AD]Turbo> hola
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[04:42:41]  <daniels> dberkholz: erm, which branch do you want me to pull from?
[04:44:31]  <daniels> oh, it's right there in the mail.  sorry.
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[04:57:11]  <daniels> argh
[04:57:22]  <daniels> one swift kick to my posterior for not reviewing entirely correctly.
[04:57:31]  <daniels> dberkholz: and one to yours for using cherry-pick instead of cherry-pick -x. :)
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[10:29:31]  * cbrake is trying to get a elographics input driver working ...
[10:29:53]  <cbrake> dante: the cursor is not even moving with the elographics driver, where it will move with a mouse
[10:30:42]  <cbrake> instrumenting ProcessEvents() ...
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[10:39:32]  <cbrake> hmm ProcessPointerEvent() is being called for mouse movements, but not for elographics events: http://pastebin.ca/1010565
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[11:37:03]  <jasonlife> What is the latest stable version of xorg-server?  I can see 1.4.99.901 at ftp://ftp.freedesktop.org/pub/xorg/individual/xserver
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[11:37:48]  <jasonlife> Does git version suppose to be stable?
[11:40:15]  <ajax> not really.
[11:40:25]  <ajax> server-1.5-branch is the stable branch, and i'm long overdue for releasing another RC
[11:40:38]  <ajax> just trying to track down some XAA issues first.
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[11:41:44]  <jasonlife> ajax: will server-1.5 be released as tar archive too?
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[11:45:39]  <dr-xorg> ajax: do you know/have you already seen: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12922#c13 ?
[11:47:25]  <dr-xorg> (XAA issues reminded me ...)
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[11:50:55]  <ajax> jasonlife: of course.
[11:51:22]  <ajax> dr-xorg: hadn't seen that one.
[11:51:52]  <dr-xorg^ OK, fine ... just wanted to make sure you know ...
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[11:53:03]  <jasonlife> ajax: You are long overdue for releasing another RC for server-1.5.. It means it's not stable yet.. 
[11:54:17]  <ajax^ thanks for the reminder.
[11:54:41]  <dr-xorg> (it's soooo complex ... the tentacles ... ugh... just adminning/SI, unfortunately... should spend a couple o' months sometime to change that ..)
[11:54:57]  <ajax> not like i've had intense amounts of other things to do, or like anyone else gives a fuck about doing releases.
[11:55:09]  <jasonlife^ don't get me wrong,  I'm not offense..
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[12:03:46]  <Company> question: is there a way to avoid vblank issues with X when updating the whole screen?
[12:04:07]  <Company> i'm using gtk, so it's just a single XCopyArea that reaches the server
[12:04:27]  <Company> (i think)
[12:05:30]  <daniels> cbrake: you're ending up in ProcessOtherEvent, not ProcessPointerEvent.  what version of the server are you using?
[12:05:37]  <daniels> it looks like you're just failing to send core events
[12:05:49]  <anholt> Company: not really at the moment.  your only interface for pending things to vblank is opengl, or implementing dri protocol and talking to your DRM device directly to do what opengl does.
[12:05:52]  <cbrake> daniels: 1.4
[12:05:55]  <daniels^ (you _are_ using GetPointerEvents, right? and not generating xEvents by hand?)
[12:06:04]  <Company> anholt: :(
[12:06:09]  <anholt^ we *should* be implementing the sync extension so you could pend your rendering on the next vblank event, but we don't.
[12:06:27]  <Company^ then i'll just wait until you guys get pissed enough at flickering youtube
[12:06:36]  <cbrake> daniels: yes, I'm using the elographics driver from xorg
[12:07:03]  <daniels> Company: at the moment we can't even do non-flickering (god i typed that as flickring originally) mplayer, so youtube would be somewhere behind that on the list.
[12:07:26]  <daniels> we'd like to have swfdec's developer:loc ratio, but sadly it's an infinitesmal fraction of that.
[12:07:34]  <daniels> cbrake: could you please put your full logfile up somewhere?
[12:07:44]  <daniels> if you're not hitting PPE, then you're just not sending any core events at all.
[12:07:45]  <cbrake^ its calling  xf86PostMotionEvent and xf86PostButtonEvent
[12:07:55]  <Company+ :)
[12:08:32]  <cbrake+ is there any way to turn on verbose debugging in X?
[12:08:39]  <cbrake> *logging
[12:09:13]  <ajax> oh for crap's sake
[12:09:15]  <ajax>                         bits = (CARD32*)(glyph + 1);
[12:09:36]  <ajax> i hate you milkman xaa
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[12:12:04]  <daniels> cbrake: there should be enough in Xorg.0.log: could you please post that up somewhere?
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[12:14:39]  <cbrake> daniels: log file: ftp://bec-systems.com/pub/Xorg.0.log
[12:15:01]  <daniels> ooh, ftp, how retro.
[12:15:08]  <daniels> (and i say that as an x hacker.)
[12:15:14]  <cbrake^ :-)
[12:15:32]  <daniels> aha!
[12:15:32]  <daniels> (**) Option "AlwaysCore"
[12:15:32]  <daniels> (**) TOUCHSCREEN: doesn't report core events
[12:15:32]  <daniels> (**) Elographics X device name: TOUCHSCREEN
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[12:15:43]  <daniels> cbrake: right, so you've got Option "AlwaysCore" in xorg.conf, right?
[12:15:45]  <ajax> well at least i know why xaa 1bpp glyphs are munted
[12:16:00]  <ajax> and my first fix was definitely right, just incomplete
[12:16:12]  <cbrake> daniels: yes
[12:16:36]  <daniels^ right.  i know this sounds odd, but bear with me.  to get it to always act as a core device ... delete Option "AlwaysCore".
[12:16:41]  <daniels> this is a slightly counterintuitive bug.
[12:16:54]  <cbrake^ trying ...
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[12:17:43]  <cbrake> daniels: now the cursor zooms off to one side of the screen
[12:18:31]  <cbrake> I do get ProcessPointerEvent() calls now
[12:18:36]  <daniels> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=ff4006bd5a71d39cc5655679447c5c47a99a2751 fixes it, btw
[12:18:45]  <daniels> cbrake: okay, sounds like it's just failing to scale the events correctly
[12:19:01]  <daniels> check the wacom driver for code to put the device co-ordinates in screen co-ordinates instead
[12:19:16]  <daniels> (this is a bug fixed in all future releases: server-1.4-branch, server-1.5-branch, master.)
[12:19:39]  <cbrake^ ok -- thanks!
[12:20:05]  <daniels> commits f04c0838699f1a733735838e74cfbb1677b15dc4, d9e23c4ff1607a62164b34717ef9afd352ce2b94, a0284d577aabea8406b72dd63773e341430ebe56, and a56ef7aaa4b6ac13c8181f68fc7dad3ca89e6973 should take care of that particular issue
[12:20:21]  <daniels> d9e23 more than most
[12:20:23]  <daniels> (that's for the server, again.)
[12:20:56]  <cbrake^ is there any problem with just removing the AlwaysCore option for now?
[12:21:03]  <cbrake> with 1.4
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[12:23:48]  <daniels> cbrake: nope, that would work fine, once you're scaling the co-ordinates before you hand them off to the server.
[12:24:31]  <cbrake^ I'm running a VGA touchscreen at 640x480  are screen cords 0-640,0-480 or something different?
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[12:26:20]  <daniels> cbrake: yeah, 0-640/0-480.
[12:26:43]  <daniels> just (x / max_device_reported_x) * pScrn->width, and ditto for y/height
[12:27:16]  <daniels> well, actually, (x * pScrn->width) / max_device_reported_x, but watch the overflows.
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[12:48:34]  <jcristau> daniels: would the scaling fixes work on top of 1.4-branch btw?
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[12:50:24]  <daniels> jcristau: indeed
[12:50:28]  <daniels> i think they're already _in_ 1.4-branch
[12:51:09]  <jcristau> they weren't last time i checked
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[12:55:35]  <daniels> hmm