Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:55:54 PM EDT Aug 02 13:55:54 <notting>	halfline: i'd test leaving all the dictionaries in 
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:57:50 PM EDT Aug 02 13:57:50 <halfline>	well i tried yum install hunspell-* on my local machine
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:58:00 PM EDT Aug 02 13:58:00 <halfline>	and saw it jump 55mb
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:58:13 PM EDT Aug 02 13:58:13 <halfline>	s/it jump/yum say it wanted to install/
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:58:34 PM EDT Aug 02 13:58:34 <halfline>	i'm not actually sure how much room we have to spare atm
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:58:38 PM EDT Aug 02 13:58:38 <halfline>	i looked
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:58:51 PM EDT Aug 02 13:58:51 <halfline>	but we haven't had a functioning nightly livecd in a long time
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:59:16 PM EDT Aug 02 13:59:16 <halfline>	because of weird apparent breakage with the image creation tool
Thu 02 Aug 2012 01:59:34 PM EDT Aug 02 13:59:34 <halfline>	that's why i did the more conservative change
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:00:38 PM EDT Aug 02 14:00:38 <davidz>	we really need to drop the 700MB limit....
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:01:55 PM EDT Aug 02 14:01:55 <ajax>	jfdi.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:02:14 PM EDT Aug 02 14:02:14 <ajax>	i mean, we own the spin, we can say what the image size is.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:05:04 PM EDT Aug 02 14:05:04 <halfline>	alright, i can cave to peer pressure as well anyone
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:06:17 PM EDT Aug 02 14:06:17 <ajax>	one... beeeeellion bytes (pinky to mouth)
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Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:30:34 PM EDT Aug 02 14:30:34 <adamw>	halfline: in a rawhide live image i just span up, there's a chunk of systemd vomit after the login prompt comes up, when booting to runlevel 3; is that plymouth?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:31:11 PM EDT Aug 02 14:31:11 <notting>	halfline: hey, have you worked with mezcalero on dm rework?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:32:52 PM EDT Aug 02 14:32:52 <dcbw>	ajax: so any idea why, on Intel, when Evince is searching a large PDF, X takes up 20% cpu?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:33:32 PM EDT Aug 02 14:33:32 <halfline>	crap
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:33:52 PM EDT Aug 02 14:33:52 <halfline>	adamw: i doubt it's plymouth
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:34:05 PM EDT Aug 02 14:34:05 <halfline>	adamw: plymouth should get quit before the agetty gets started
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:34:13 PM EDT Aug 02 14:34:13 <halfline>	notting: not really
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:35:12 PM EDT Aug 02 14:35:12 <adamw>	halfline: systemd, then?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:35:21 PM EDT Aug 02 14:35:21 <notting>	halfline: ok, just looking at 'features tangentilally related to me' trying to see what i need to do before branch if possible
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:35:35 PM EDT Aug 02 14:35:35 <halfline>	adamw: what do the messages say?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:35:56 PM EDT Aug 02 14:35:56 <adamw>	halfline: i forget, i'll check it again in a minute (spinning a new image atm)
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:36:15 PM EDT Aug 02 14:36:15 <adamw>	davidz: FWIW, a live image I just span using fedora-livecd-desktop.ks from Rawhide is 715MB.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:36:37 PM EDT Aug 02 14:36:37 <ajax>	dcbw: because evince hammers xserver by constantly updating that stupid little "57%" progress thing
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:36:40 PM EDT Aug 02 14:36:40 <adamw>	so you have -15MB to spare, under the 700MB limit =)
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:36:44 PM EDT Aug 02 14:36:44 <dcbw>	ajax: ah, cute
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:37:30 PM EDT Aug 02 14:37:30 <halfline>	there's no limit anymore apparently
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:37:56 PM EDT Aug 02 14:37:56 <ajax>	dcbw: sna instead of uxa might make some difference but it's still not going to make the app less stupid
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:38:06 PM EDT Aug 02 14:38:06 <notting>	adamw: would be interested to see where that's going
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:38:35 PM EDT Aug 02 14:38:35 <adamw>	notting: yeah, i'll see if i can come up with anything useful. the usual suspect is added deps.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:38:49 PM EDT Aug 02 14:38:49 <halfline>	presumably the hunspell dictionaries just added ?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:39:34 PM EDT Aug 02 14:39:34 <halfline>	oh " using fedora-livecd-desktop.ks from Rawhide"
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:39:40 PM EDT Aug 02 14:39:40 <halfline>	reading is fundamental
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Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:40:44 PM EDT Aug 02 14:40:44 <halfline>	hrmm, i'm subscribed to the spins@ mailing list, but still every commit i make puts a message in the moderator queue
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:40:56 PM EDT Aug 02 14:40:56 <adamw>	halfline: i didn't update my checkout since two days ago, so i don't have recent changes.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:41:14 PM EDT Aug 02 14:41:14 <halfline>	oh so it was from git
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:41:17 PM EDT Aug 02 14:41:17 <halfline>	just old git
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:41:35 PM EDT Aug 02 14:41:35 <adamw>	yeah, sorry, i should've said master, not rawhide.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:44:37 PM EDT Aug 02 14:44:37 <adamw>	halfline: the messages after the login prompt come up are ip6_tables copyright notice and a bunch of iscsi stuff.
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:45:04 PM EDT Aug 02 14:45:04 <adamw>	iscsi: registered transport (transport_name) , and ident messages from the transport drivers.
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Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:49:22 PM EDT Aug 02 14:49:22 <halfline>	adamw: do you have "quiet" on your kernel command line ?
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:49:43 PM EDT Aug 02 14:49:43 <adamw>	halfline: no, i took it out on purpose to see the boot messages, but it still shouldn't spew after login prompt, i think...
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:50:28 PM EDT Aug 02 14:50:28 <halfline>	you shouldn't need to remove quiet from your kernel command line to see boot message
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:50:29 PM EDT Aug 02 14:50:29 <halfline>	s
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:50:46 PM EDT Aug 02 14:50:46 <halfline>	plymouth explicitly tells systemd to turn quiet off for the duration of the time plymouth is running
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:51:16 PM EDT Aug 02 14:51:16 <halfline>	anyway i think the problem is messages go to /dev/console 
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:51:23 PM EDT Aug 02 14:51:23 <halfline>	when plymouth is running, it redirects /dev/console
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:51:37 PM EDT Aug 02 14:51:37 <halfline>	when plymouth isn't running /dev/console goes to the active vt
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:51:52 PM EDT Aug 02 14:51:52 <halfline>	systemd does things asynchronously
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:51:59 PM EDT Aug 02 14:51:59 <halfline>	so some stuff is finishing after boot is done
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:52:24 PM EDT Aug 02 14:52:24 <adamw>	i'm pretty sure we've run into bugs like this before and fixed them somehow
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:52:25 PM EDT Aug 02 14:52:25 <halfline>	that stuff is spewing output that's not getting redirected because plymouth isn't urnning
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:52:34 PM EDT Aug 02 14:52:34 <halfline>	don't know about that
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:52:37 PM EDT Aug 02 14:52:37 <halfline>	no recollection
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:52:54 PM EDT Aug 02 14:52:54 <halfline>	i'd be interested to know if adding quiet back makes the problem go away
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:54:10 PM EDT Aug 02 14:54:10 <halfline>	so that's my guess, it's sort of a wild guess
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:54:15 PM EDT Aug 02 14:54:15 <halfline>	it could be something else
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:54:21 PM EDT Aug 02 14:54:21 <halfline>	especially if you remember something else
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:54:33 PM EDT Aug 02 14:54:33 <adamw>	so long as it's not plymouth, i'll go bother someone else about it =)
Thu 02 Aug 2012 02:58:09 PM EDT Aug 02 14:58:09 <halfline>	okie dokie